...and yet apparently you shook all of JB's horribl;e throws in the bowl game from memory. Odd. :eek:[/QUOTE said:I recall him throwing it behind guys, but atleast JB was in the same zip code
...and yet apparently you shook all of JB's horribl;e throws in the bowl game from memory. Odd. :eek:[/QUOTE said:I recall him throwing it behind guys, but atleast JB was in the same zip code
To expand on my earlier post...
Barnett had 104 rushes and threw 220 passes and accumulated 6 interceptions and had 11 fumbles (only 3 of which were lost). He threw an interception on 2.72% of passes. His 11 fumbles on 224 rushes accounted for a fumble on 3.4% of touches. If you just add the total fumbles (while removing the "luck factor" of who recovered them) with the total interceptions then JB threw a pick or fumbled on 5.25% of his touches.
Jantz had 84 rushes and threw 259 passes and accumulated 11 interceptions and 3 fumbles (all of which were lost). That is an interception on 4.25% of his passes and fumbled on 1.17% of all touches. Jantz fumbled or threw a INT on 4.08% of his touches.
Point being that Jantz threw way too many interceptions and Barnett fumbled way too much. We were lucky that only 3 of JB's fumbles were lost. Fumbling isn't necessarily a look into "decision making" but there are times when big hits and smart plays can avoid the chance of a fumble.
All told, which one is less of a turnover risk?
Who?Steele is stronger, and maybe faster, but Barnett is just as quick, and more agile. Barnett can make a guy miss easier down field, where Steele has that Drew Tate unsackability.
Hence the push.
I think something that really separates JB from Steele in the decision making category is the zone read. The offense really started to click and move the chains a lot more when the quarterback was a threat to constantly run. Some of that was Steele's injury, but I also thought he struggled with making his read and making the correct decision to keep it or hand it off. A majority of the time he would just hand it off.
CyDude, I'm just going to answer khaal53 with a question....He asked which one was less of a turnover risk. Here's my question, Is a fumble a turnover if the ball is not "turned over" unlike INT's when it's very clear that the other team has the ball? One more, is it luck for the defense if they recover a fumble or only when the offense recovers their own fumble? No debate, Just asking.
When you look at the amount of fumbles JB had, it was just dumb luck they didn't lead to more turnovers.
Now, a fumble problem isn't the mental issue that throwing lots of picks is, but it hurts the team just as much.
Accuracy: Neither Probably the biggest reason to have some concern with our QB situation.
Arm Strength: Jantz. Not close.
Touch: Barnett.
Decision Making: Barnett.
Athleticism: Jantz
Running the ball: Jantz(Healthy), although close.
Play making ability: Jantz.
When it comes to fumbles, why don't you just split if 50/50 or whatever the avg percentage of fumbles that is usually recovered by the offense and defense, respectively?
I would guess the offense recovers 60% and the defense 40% maybe? That's just a shot in the dark.
CyDude, I'm just going to answer khaal53 with a question....He asked which one was less of a turnover risk. Here's my question, Is a fumble a turnover if the ball is not "turned over" unlike INT's when it's very clear that the other team has the ball? One more, is it luck for the defense if they recover a fumble or only when the offense recovers their own fumble? No debate, Just asking.
I dont understand how you guys are thinking that Sam is going to be in this race this year. By what Rhoads said earlier this week was he was pretty far behind SJ and JB in the competition.
This is so true. IAccuracy: Neither Probably the biggest reason to have some concern with our QB situation. Arm Strength: Jantz. Not close. Touch: Barnett. Decision Making: Barnett. Athleticism: Jantz Running the ball: Jantz(Healthy), although close. Play making ability: Jantz.
'm not confident with either one right now unless they have improved a LOT. I'm really hoping that Richardson shocks everyone and wins the job. That bowl game last year was dreadful by both QB's. We can't win with either guy if they play like that, that's all I know. Neither one could complete a pass to a wide open receiver in that bowl game to save their life. Sorry, they just couldn't and we all know it. Neither guy really had a single game they could brag about, other than maybe Barnett against OSU. I know some will point to SJ's win over Iowa, but he made a ton of mistakes in that game too. He never did anything within the offense, it was all ad lib. One thing Rhoads said this spring that kinda bothered me is that neither running ability or passing ability is more important to him in the QB position... both are equal. Personally, I'd rather have a great passer that's a slightly below average runner than a guy that's just kinda good at doing both. Yes, our offense does require the QB to be an effective runner, but we MUST have a guy that is an accurate passer IMO. What good is it if our QB can't hit wide open guys? What good are those WR bubble screens we run all the time when both SJ and JB throw the ball at their shoelaces or behind them? I just go berserk every time I see our WR on those quick screens have to reach way down to get the ball or way behind them, and it completely blows up the play. QB play really hurt us last year IMO. Most games the QB play was a net negative IMO.... meaning it hurt us more than it helped us. That MUST change this year in order to even think about winning 6 or more games. I really think that the most accurate passer needs to win the job. Lack of accuracy just killed this team last year, both in incompletions and in interceptions.
SJ looked just as bad.JB scares me after watching the bowl game he looked lost and confused. I'm pulling for SJ.
JB scares me after watching the bowl game he looked lost and confused. I'm pulling for SJ.
"Illogical"??? No, no, I think that you mean "rationalizing".... :biggrin:im going to make some illogical jumps to conclusions here, but i say we might have won the bowl game had JB completed that 3rd and short pass to a wide open Josh Lenz on the first (or second) drive of the game. We would have had it first and goal and likely would have punched it in and started the game ahead 10-0.
+ Momentum swing
+ Confidence
+ JB staying in for the whole game more probable