Also Bulls fans? How many of you doubted Fred. your team sucked and he got them to the playoffs . Shut your mouth sit back and enjoy . If he is able to create his own team you are in for a treat
Hoiberg on Recruiting
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There are major parts to both college and pro coaching that suck.
If he can't handle recruiting then I almost guarantee dealing with the media in Chicago and an inept management team building his roster will be his undoing in Chicago.
They can put whatever roster they want together but unless someone dismantles the Warriors or the Cavs he's not winning a title. An no title = no job in Chitown.
One thing ISU has proved is that you can recruit the non 5* players and elite "AAU pay me to play" superstars and have success. There are plenty of players available, you just gotta be able to weed out the RV types and not let it get under your skin. You can do that in college, what you can't do in the pros is remove the media and ownership. <- Big difference. * That's my too little too late sales pitch to have kept Fred here.
If he can't handle recruiting then I almost guarantee dealing with the media in Chicago and an inept management team building his roster will be his undoing in Chicago.
They can put whatever roster they want together but unless someone dismantles the Warriors or the Cavs he's not winning a title. An no title = no job in Chitown.
One thing ISU has proved is that you can recruit the non 5* players and elite "AAU pay me to play" superstars and have success. There are plenty of players available, you just gotta be able to weed out the RV types and not let it get under your skin. You can do that in college, what you can't do in the pros is remove the media and ownership. <- Big difference. * That's my too little too late sales pitch to have kept Fred here.
Don't believe I was inferring that. Both things suck and are MAJOR parts of the job. If he can't hack it recruiting I don't see him hacking it w Chicago media or the ownership.
I don't see how hating recruiting has anything to do with your ability to deal with media or ownership.
You think millions in the bank won't change a guy's ego? Even for guys who already think they're God's gift to basketball, all that money does is amplify that attitude. And it's exacerbated by the fact that a lot of players make more than the coach.
Because you're dealing with people who feel a sense of entitlement.
Chitown media and fans expect Phil Jackson'esque championships every year.
RV felt he deserved a college that would bow down to his every demand. <- Entitlement
Agree with this and say it does show why if you hate college recruiting then dealing w Free Agency, money, crappy owners and now egos that are inflated by $$$ would suck. If you can't hack recruiting a 5* RV away from UNLV then dealing with pros has to be a challenge too.
I'm not seeing the connection at all. With recruiting you're constantly texting and calling HS kids and traveling all over to see them. Fred isn't having to deal with fans really at all and the media is practically nothing compared to recruiting. You can be great at dealing with the media and hate recruiting, they don't go hand in hand
But so many of these coaches LOVE recruiting and forging relationships with these kids through the years. TJ seems like a great example - I think he sincerely loves meeting these kids and developing the relationships regardless of where a kid ultimately signs.
Ultimately it's a relationship thing - some of us are wired for it and so many more aren't.
Some things are different but you still have to recruit at the pro level.
Agree with you. I think most of us are reading far too much into his comments. He had some well-publicized career goals involving the NBA so whether college recruiting was THE reason or merely on a list of reasons, his career goals of NBA stuff was known.
I'll never fault a guy for being interested in his own career progression and the safety/security of his family. Every one posting on this board loves ISU but very, very few of us work there. Fred loves ISU and no longer works there. I think it's that simple.
Being the 8th best team in the East last year isn't exactly what I would call a huge accomplishment. Also considering a lot of the core people from a 3 seed just 2 years before were still there (DRose for DWade swap obviously). Not to mention missing the playoffs with the exact same 3 seed roster the year before.
As much as we are all pulling for Fred I don't see any way he survives after this year. They were a .500 team in a really bad eastern conference that looked horrible during stretches that just got substantially worse for next year.
I guess maybe. However, you're telling me Jameel McKay and his ego weren't an issue? Dejean-Jones? I loved watching them play and honestly the egos don't bother me, because they exist everywhere, but going from a top 5% ego in the country to a top 1% ego in the country is probably pretty insignificant.
Top 5% to top 1% doesn't seem like much, but I would love it if my income went from top 5% to top 1%.
You may be right - 5% of the people out there might actually enjoy it. I just think Fred is one of the 95% out there that thinks modern-day recruiting is over the top, never-ending, and down-right weird.
The two may not be related, but there's no question he traded a positive (loved in Ames by fans and media) to remove himself from a negative (didn't like dealing with recruiting). We'll see if the heat in Chicago also becomes something Fred can't stand.
