Hoiberg coaching sets: youtube video

Discussion in 'Mens Basketball' started by cyfan964, Jun 26, 2014.

  1. cyfan964

    cyfan964 Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2006
    4 blocks from the Jack
    Ran across this this morning. Thought it was pretty awesome to see how many different directions you can go with one simple play. All about spacing and ball movement.

  2. heitclone

    heitclone Well-Known Member

    Jun 21, 2009
    Recreation Therapist
    Malvern, IA
    Fred's genius is in how simple his approach to the game is. Thanks for the sharing, I love X's and O's type stuff.
  3. cyfan964

    cyfan964 Well-Known Member

    Oct 22, 2006
    4 blocks from the Jack
    No problem. I found it incredibly interesting as well. It's all about spacing and making the smart play. If nothing is there just keep moving. It's amazing how simple it is.
  4. cemarclone

    cemarclone Member

    Feb 6, 2014

    I have been watching the last 5 minutes of the North Carolina game, and it is amazing to see the plays where Kane starts outside, then drives into the middle, and that drive to the middle just draws the defenders in the corners to Kane, and he easily dumps it off to the gys in the corner for wide open three's. So when you watch the Fred training tapes, and their are many, it becomes apparent that they have a lot of options, and that good basketball has a ton of strategy. To play Fred's system, you truly have to buy in. There is a lot of stuff to learn. The man is going to go down as a basketball genius.
  5. Cydkar

    Cydkar Well-Known Member

    Apr 12, 2006
    This can't be true. I've been told that Fred teaches chuck and duck. I do not engage with these stupid people.
  6. intrepid27

    intrepid27 Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2006
    Executive Recruiter - Ag
    Marion, IA
    After watching Wayne Morgan's and McDermott's teams play offense Hoiball is a true thing of beauty. I'm still amazed how McDermott made his offense work at UNI AND Creighton but looked so bad at ISU.
  7. madcityCY

    madcityCY Well-Known Member

    Nov 29, 2006
    Madison, WI
    "Fred is not a good coach - he just gets a bunch of mid-major chuckers to heave 3s, and that's how his teams have a chance to win."

    -bitter Hawkeye/ Jayhawk fans
  8. Clone1138

    Clone1138 Member

    Apr 18, 2013
    Central Iowa
    I think it's clear by now that Fred is a much better X's and O's coach than probably a lot of people expected. One of my favorite things he does is inverting the offense on plays.
  9. Cycsk

    Cycsk Well-Known Member

    Aug 17, 2009

    And Kane had options on the last play against UNC. He didn't have to take the shot himself.
  10. cyclones12321

    cyclones12321 Well-Known Member

    Feb 21, 2009
    Us Cellular
    Newton Ia
    Crazy how many things you can do with one set. This video also shows u how well fred spaces the floor
  11. RubyClone

    RubyClone Active Member

    Mar 21, 2014
    #11 RubyClone, Jun 26, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2014
    I think this was posted on here not too long ago, and it's not and instructional vid. But a series of clips of game footage of what are really 2 (3) man game and how a simple double pick can be so versatile.

    I never notice this stuff in a game, but it's really neat to see it laid out and observe the nuances. So simple. And it's putting our players in a position to react to the D, not as much of an effort to get the D out of position - if you get my meaning.

    Doesn't hurt to have a guy like DeAndre bring the ball up, and bigs like Melvin and Georges who can shoot the 3 and pull defenders out.

  12. Nuts4Cy

    Nuts4Cy Member

    Mar 21, 2006
    Should we be giving our opponents tape on how to run/stop our offense?
  13. RubyClone

    RubyClone Active Member

    Mar 21, 2014
    #13 RubyClone, Jun 26, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2014
  14. MartyFine

    MartyFine Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2009
    Warren Co., IA
    They already know what we do; problem is they can't stop it when it is run well and by players who are given to the freedom to do it.
  15. Sigmapolis

    Sigmapolis Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2011
    Washington, DC
    I think, more than anything else, Fred just puts together an offense that allows for the players to success and improvise *within* the context of what is going on out there.

    Look at that one play from the video above - it's just a screen for DeAndre on the side by either Niang or Ejim. And, out of that, DeAndre reacts to the defender and either...

    --> defender is slow around the pick, take it to the hole and beat the help/get fouled
    --> defender is too fast/the post's defender doubles him, kick it back to Niang or Ejim for a drive or an open three-point look
    --> defender cheats the screen on the far side, then cheat back on the inside and drive for the hole past the slower post defender for an inside look or a foul
    --> defender gets around the screen alright but plays low/takes baseline away for the drive, not letting you get past him low, then just step back and take an open, semi-corner three over his head

    Granted, having somebody with the versatility of a player and scorer like Kane makes this all go, but that's really the Hoiberg mentality in having players that do everything well and only really emphasizing shooting abilities as a fundamental talent and emphasis.

    Fred adjusts these basic principles, too. I swear 95% (not that many in reality, but you know) of our offensive sets his first year was JVB on a high, top of the key screen for Diante. And it was the same principle... DG, if you are around your man, go to the hole to shoot/get foul/pop out to SC for a three, if they leave JVB too open, get it back to him and let him launch a three and he is so tall/generally guarded by a slower post so it is hard for anybody to recover back to him before the ball is away. JVB was an adequate player, but not the inside-outside threat that Melvin and George are, however (mostly just a tall shooter, despite being a nominal center), so Fred put it at the top of the key to draw that post defender even further away from his comfort zone and give JVB more space and time, which is important considering he didn't have Georges or Melvin's ability to drive and punish the defense if he got the ball back. DeAndre was bigger than Diante and better able to take hits/fouls and keep his balance and shot, so he was better driving baseline, but Diante was faster and a better ball handler and better able to drive center, so it helped him, too.
  16. CapnCy

    CapnCy Well-Known Member

    Jul 6, 2010

    And I bet he was able to show that to JP at the kitchen table when JP talked with him. Same reason why some ex-players would never be a good coach because they don't know this stuff, but could play, etc.

    I think MANY who criticized used "previous coaching exp" and his "stardom" as reasons why not to consider him, etc...the reality is....one of us on this board MIGHT be able to out coach him...but we likely don't have the mechanism for a shot, if you will. ***NOT SAYING I COULD****
  17. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2012
    It'll probably become more clear next season. :twitcy:

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