Game of Thrones Season 8

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  1. NorthCyd

    NorthCyd Well-Known Member

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    You seem to have a real hang up on the term "mad".

    The show has obviously laid the groundwork that there are concerns about Dany amongst her advisors and if she goes all out on Kings Landing she will kill a bunch of innocents and this would be a bad thing. So how do you think that's going to play out? Is it all a red herring and she's not going to do it? Is she going to do it and no one's going to care? Is she going to lay waste to kings landing and it will end up being her downfall?

    Personally I think it's the last. She wanted to publicly offer Cersei peace so the innocent would no who to blame when she killed them (a pretty distressing thing to say, by the way). Whether you want to call that the action of a "mad" person or not, it will certainly be perceived that way.
     
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  2. ThatllDoCy

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    Simply put, I don't think Dany is going mad based on her actions. I am using the actions of other characters for context which is all we have.
     
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    ThatllDoCy Well-Known Member

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    Sacking a city is not "mad" in Westeros it is pretty much expected, and innocents always die in in a sack. So is it mad? I don't think so, it's terrible, but i just don't blame Dany for that.
     
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    But she brought the "smallfolk" into the Red Keep to "protect" them (or use them as human shields.)
     
  5. NorthCyd

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    So you think she is going to kill a bunch of innocent people without repercussions despite all the discussions between Varys and Tyrion and all the build up to the contrary. Ok.
     
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    I have a real issue with that. First, who goes into the red keep knowing that a Dragon is likely burning it? No one. The fix for this is to have Cersei forcing them in, because logically anyone who could would flee King's Landing unless restrained. I'd buy that, and it really forces Dany's hand even more knowing that.
     
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    Which is why I’m kind of liking Janny’s “King Gendry Baratheon” theory more and more.
     
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    She has a Dragon, so yeah. The foundation of Westerosi hierarchy is based on violence, and the smallfolk have no power at all. Dany even considering not doing it is an improvement.

    For instance, when Arya released the three Night's Watch prisoners(Biter, Jaqen H'gar and Rorge I think) the Lannisters were burning innocent people inside a holdfast.

    Really, they don't have time, but Dany and her army could simply bide their time and starve the city until it becomes too unstable for Cersei to hold, but that isn't great cinema.
     
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    Listening to her council got her westeros allies killed, dragon and Missande killed, her city of Maureen attacked. Stop acting like council has had all the benefits. Lets examine when she ignored council and followed her own heart/gut.
    Burned herself with the dragon eggs to become the Mother of dragons.
    Earned the undying loyalty of the unsullied by freeing them from slavery.
    Destroyed the Dothraki leaders to become the sole Kal instead of a slave wife.
    Ignored Tyrion's concern and attacked the Lanister army on their march back from High Garden earning one of their only victories since naming him hand in the first place. She isn't perfect and has a problem when it comes to forcing her hand vs winning over the Westeros people but there hasn't been time to develop that opportunity. I hope Jon helps her rather than let her spiral into the ground.

    If only. I just don't think they will let Arya get all the good kills despite it being the best play the North has against her.
     
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    That is a possibility, but what a god awful possibility. The kingdom would be in ruin in a matter of years.
     
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    "The Blacksmith King" would make a great story for the singers.
     
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    Okay, I am only on Page 90 right now. Why doesn't Dany just bend the knee to Jon? That is a very legitimate option? He may not want it but it is his birthright. The fact that people don't see her going down a mad Queen path from the time she gets dragons, is just watching with blinders on. She has been a poor ruler always, only once Tyrion got to her did she improve, and she only improved because she allowed others to influence her. She has always allowed her emotions to get the better of her. Tyrion doesn't say it, but he implies Jon would be the better ruler, and that isn't just based on the most recent events. Tyrion and Jon spend a lot of time together in the beginning.

    Sansa is playing the game that Dany refuses to play. Can typically on this show, you get rewarded for it. Those that refuse to play the game die. And short of taking Kingslanding Dany has run her course. If she survives to the end I would be disappointed at this point.
     
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    1. The kingdom is already in ruin. How many noble houses are left in Westeros? Most of them in the North have been wiped out - the Boltons, the Karstarks, the Mormonts off the top of my head are gone, as will the Starks be as there are no male heirs left in their line. In the Riverlands the Freys are gone, as are the Tullys for all intents and purposes. In the Reach the Tyrells and Tarleys as well as others are gone. The Baratheons were gone until Gendry was legitimatized. The Martells are in disarray. The Greyjoys seem intent on killing each other off. And it’s not like the “red” Lannisters are doing that great, either.

    2. How exactly is Gendry a worse option than Cersei, Dany, or Jon?
     
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    I think he'd fail in KL for similar reasons to Ned.

    He's an honorable man, and through todays lens sure we like that. But a ruler in westeros has to be able to have the ability to be ruthless at times in a brutal, ruthless world.
     
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    The writers may make it a bigger deal than it should be. It seems likely the writers are forcing us in a direction that many of us see as not right with her character (unfairly panting her as 'mad') But itd be far from the first example of the writing being pretty poor lately.
     
  16. NorthCyd

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    The only problem I have with this is that Dany needs to actually be on the throne for her proclamations to have any legitimacy.
     
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    I don't believe the Karstarks are all gone. Maybe you are thinking of the Umbers at Last Hearth.
     
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    Her own personal pride won’t allow her to do it. From the moment Khal Drogo “crowned” Viserys she has considered herself the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, and she has struggled and sacrificed a lot to get to this point, only to find out that, in fact, she has a long lost nephew that has a better claim to the throne. It’s the same reason why every time Tyrion asks Varys why they can’t rule together, Varys says no - Dany won’t allow it.
     
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    Definitely thinking of the Umbers, but at this point who knows what families are left in the North - as well as in the rest of Westeros.
     
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  20. NorthCyd

    NorthCyd Well-Known Member

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    True. They spent almost the whole show building the narrative that the game of thrones was simply a distraction from the true threat of the NK and WW, and eventually all would have to unite against that threat or die. They then preceded to completely undercut that narrative this season.
     
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