LOL, yeah, I know. I laughed at what you wrote. I just started thinking about how GOT wasn't really a how-to book on marriage....or parenting.
Game of Thrones Season 8
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LOL, yeah, I know. I laughed at what you wrote. I just started thinking about how GOT wasn't really a how-to book on marriage....or parenting.
2. I would disagree as per the canon Dorne is the least populous region of the Kingdoms, which means they just don’t have the population base to draw a powerful enough army. It’s the whole reason why in the books Doran Martel resorted to convoluted plots to get his revenge on the Lannisters - he doesn’t have the power to go head-on with the Lannisters, much less all of Westeros. Even with the rest of the Westerosi forces decimated from the various wars throughout the saga, Dorne probably still doesn’t have the strength to do much. Keep in mind just how much the North was decimated throughout the series, and yet Sansa claims they still have 10K Northmen waiting outside the city walls. Dorne’s source of strength has always been in its ability to defend itself as it inhabits a landscape that’s almost impossible to invade - it’s a desert (even the Targaryens couldn’t conquer it - Dorne had to be “married” into the kingdom). It’s strength is not as an attacking army.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dorne
7. The Reach is far from a depopulated area. With the North’s independence, it’s now the largest region in area in the Kingdoms. It’s a wealthy region as well, considered to be the second wealthiest next to the Westerlands (if you ignore the fact that the gold mines under Casterly Rock are now dry). It’s also a heavily populated area, and I forget where I read it but I think it’s population is second only to the Crownlands. Why do you think everyone is so hesitant to give a sellsword control of the Reach, and Bronn initially scoffs when Tyrion actually does so? He’s essentially being handed the keys to the second most powerful region in the Kingdoms, not to mention he now controls the food supply of the Kingdoms.
https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Reach
I guess what I’m saying is it feels like you are greatly overestimating Dorne’s position while greatly underestimating The Reach’s.
Tyrion did a great job of laying out Dany’s “descent into madness” while pleading to Jon, didn’t he?
I watched for the first time last night, anybody got time to fill in what I missed?
Worst parent in GOT? Gotta be Crastor, doesn't it?
Here are the options I could think of:
Crastor
Stannis
Walder Frey
Balon Greyjoy
Lysa Tully
Robert Baratheon
Tywin (to Tyrion anyway)
Here are the options I could think of:
Crastor
Stannis
Walder Frey
Balon Greyjoy
Lysa Tully
Robert Baratheon
Tywin (to Tyrion anyway)
Last night kind of helped me define it. Her madness is that she believed she was the sole determiner of good/bad or right/wrong.
I've heard it was the worst show ever. I wouldn't waste my time with another episode.
Gave up on on this book series a long time ago. I think GRRM's beliefs around what his series is "supposed to be" will keep him from finishing it. He is going to have to break several of his stated values about the series to finish it (soon-ish) in a way that people will enjoy/remember.
For example, he has expressed views on magic in his world needing to be mysterious and dark and requiring a cost/risk. Well, the most magical/mysterious/dark/risky thing in the series was set up to be the white walkers. The entire first 3-4 books just kept building up the war that was going to eventually happen. At some point, you have to get more detailed about what is being fought or else the act of defeating them feels as magical (read: unrealistic) as what was defeated.
Another example around the white walkers: his belief in showing the relativity of human values. People are morally grey. Everyone has their own motivations and think they are doing what's right. That also lasts up until the white walkers show up. Everyone agrees the white walkers are bad/evil. The white walker story works when it is a backdrop to highlight the human greed of the characters. That falls apart when they become the clear and present threat to everyone. In a world where humanity is so demonstrably selfish and short-sighted there is no possible way the white walkers are defeated easily, quickly, and without significant cost.
An actual war with the white walkers with the characters he has developed would be a cluster**** of backstabbing and mistrust that would require an act of magic/god to win. It could easily take 3-4 books/seasons to get through a realistic war (i.e., lots of death, plague, famine, etc.) with the white walkers. I believe that would be a hell of a story, but I don't think it is one GRRM has the time/desire to tell. They plot armored the whole white walker threat away in the show. I don't think they had much choice in it if they wanted to end the show this season.
Because of this, I just don't see GRRM finishing the books without an equally flimsy or absurdly magical resolution to the white walker threat. I think GRRM has written himself into a corner with it and doesn't have a way out that he is happy with.
For example, he has expressed views on magic in his world needing to be mysterious and dark and requiring a cost/risk. Well, the most magical/mysterious/dark/risky thing in the series was set up to be the white walkers. The entire first 3-4 books just kept building up the war that was going to eventually happen. At some point, you have to get more detailed about what is being fought or else the act of defeating them feels as magical (read: unrealistic) as what was defeated.
Another example around the white walkers: his belief in showing the relativity of human values. People are morally grey. Everyone has their own motivations and think they are doing what's right. That also lasts up until the white walkers show up. Everyone agrees the white walkers are bad/evil. The white walker story works when it is a backdrop to highlight the human greed of the characters. That falls apart when they become the clear and present threat to everyone. In a world where humanity is so demonstrably selfish and short-sighted there is no possible way the white walkers are defeated easily, quickly, and without significant cost.
An actual war with the white walkers with the characters he has developed would be a cluster**** of backstabbing and mistrust that would require an act of magic/god to win. It could easily take 3-4 books/seasons to get through a realistic war (i.e., lots of death, plague, famine, etc.) with the white walkers. I believe that would be a hell of a story, but I don't think it is one GRRM has the time/desire to tell. They plot armored the whole white walker threat away in the show. I don't think they had much choice in it if they wanted to end the show this season.
Because of this, I just don't see GRRM finishing the books without an equally flimsy or absurdly magical resolution to the white walker threat. I think GRRM has written himself into a corner with it and doesn't have a way out that he is happy with.
YOU'D THINK SAM WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO LEAVE THE WOMEN CARRYING HIS BASTARD THEAN!?!?! HE IS A GRAND MAESTER AND A MAN OF THE NIGHT'S WATCH! HE IS AN OATHBREAKER!
This was probably payback when Bran was told her, "So, I was watching you get raped by your husband on your wedding night. It didn't look like you enjoyed it much. Sorry about that"
I think Jon was on board with Dany until she said "they don't get to choose" and he was like okay one last aunt kiss *stab*.
I would have stabbed her with my weapon one last time before stabbing her with my knife.
HBO's quality to crap ratio is outstanding compared to the mostly bad original content on Netflix/Hulu/Prime.
Probably a 1:1 ratio of original content I enjoy to things I don't. On Netflix they pump out 100 pieces of completely unwatchable mindless drivel for every one Stranger Things or GLOW.
They're in a bit of a funk now but AMC is probably HBO's best (and maybe only) competition for a high standard of TV content. Not talking about $$$s but about actual content quality.
I've been skulking here for a few weeks. I'm happy that we got an actual ending but there are some pretty serious problems that I hope are answered more fully in the book. I thought that the episode had some beautiful cinematic elements and Drogon was used well. Peter Dinklage was, as usual, the best actor by far.
1) Where did Drogon go? If you have read Fire and Blood, you quickly come to realize that dragons in GRRM's world don't lose their minds when their rider dies. They generally lay around and eat until another Targ comes to try to claim them as a mount. So I doubt Drogon went far and since the only Targ left is Jon.... problematic, right? I guess that Gendry, as a Baratheon, has some Targ blood in him but that is a mighty thin line.
2) Tyrion's argument for Bran is that... he has a cool story? That is why he should be king? I mean, John was raised in secret by his uncle, went to the wall, became the youngest commander of the night's watch, DIED, came back to life, fought the white walkers, almost single-handedly raised the alarm to the realm, convinced Daenarys to join him, helped defeat the Night King, then saved the planet from his crazy Aunt. And Bran? I got thrown out of a tower by the Lannisters, disappeared, everyone thought I was dead, then I became the three-eyed raven (Which nobody understands) came back into the wall thanks to that Reed girl, then... I was bait for the Night King and my sister killed him. Which one is the better story?
3) The idea that electing a king will cause less strife and bloodshed is an indicator that D&D never heard about the Holy Roman Empire or Elector Counts. If anything, it makes it worse. Now anyone can have a claim.
4) Why is Jon exiled? As someone else said, As soon as the Dothroki and the Unsullied are gone, set him free and make him king. By the time they hear about it, they will be back in Essos and not likely to return. Plus Jon probably gets Drogon and just sinks them if necessary. It is better if Jon declines the throne and exiles himself. Still, a horrible end for a character.
5) When Sansa basically tells them all thanks but no thanks, why wouldn't the Vale, The Iron Islands and Dorne do the same thing? There's no army left after the northerners leave. The Vale is definitely the best defended Kingdom. They have no ships so the Iron Islands are free and clear and nobody even knows what that Dorne guy's name was so they won't miss him. There's no reason for the kingdom to stay together. All the great nobles are basically dead or better off being their own kings/ queens.
I won't get into all of the things that basically don't matter: like Bran being the three-eyed raven, Jon being a Targaryen, etc.
1) Where did Drogon go? If you have read Fire and Blood, you quickly come to realize that dragons in GRRM's world don't lose their minds when their rider dies. They generally lay around and eat until another Targ comes to try to claim them as a mount. So I doubt Drogon went far and since the only Targ left is Jon.... problematic, right? I guess that Gendry, as a Baratheon, has some Targ blood in him but that is a mighty thin line.
2) Tyrion's argument for Bran is that... he has a cool story? That is why he should be king? I mean, John was raised in secret by his uncle, went to the wall, became the youngest commander of the night's watch, DIED, came back to life, fought the white walkers, almost single-handedly raised the alarm to the realm, convinced Daenarys to join him, helped defeat the Night King, then saved the planet from his crazy Aunt. And Bran? I got thrown out of a tower by the Lannisters, disappeared, everyone thought I was dead, then I became the three-eyed raven (Which nobody understands) came back into the wall thanks to that Reed girl, then... I was bait for the Night King and my sister killed him. Which one is the better story?
3) The idea that electing a king will cause less strife and bloodshed is an indicator that D&D never heard about the Holy Roman Empire or Elector Counts. If anything, it makes it worse. Now anyone can have a claim.
4) Why is Jon exiled? As someone else said, As soon as the Dothroki and the Unsullied are gone, set him free and make him king. By the time they hear about it, they will be back in Essos and not likely to return. Plus Jon probably gets Drogon and just sinks them if necessary. It is better if Jon declines the throne and exiles himself. Still, a horrible end for a character.
5) When Sansa basically tells them all thanks but no thanks, why wouldn't the Vale, The Iron Islands and Dorne do the same thing? There's no army left after the northerners leave. The Vale is definitely the best defended Kingdom. They have no ships so the Iron Islands are free and clear and nobody even knows what that Dorne guy's name was so they won't miss him. There's no reason for the kingdom to stay together. All the great nobles are basically dead or better off being their own kings/ queens.
I won't get into all of the things that basically don't matter: like Bran being the three-eyed raven, Jon being a Targaryen, etc.
I think if you take into account just how sub par this season was and accept all the short comings, rushed story etc..., that last night was a pretty good ending. They did a decent job tying lose ends but still left some mystery.
I thought two comments from Bran were the most intriguing 1. When he responded "I didn't come all this way for nothing" in response to being named King 2. When Drogon was brought up, he said something like "I'll see if I can find him". Both leave some room to assume he had much more of an active impact on what happened or at the least, he knew the eventual outcome.
I thought two comments from Bran were the most intriguing 1. When he responded "I didn't come all this way for nothing" in response to being named King 2. When Drogon was brought up, he said something like "I'll see if I can find him". Both leave some room to assume he had much more of an active impact on what happened or at the least, he knew the eventual outcome.
I read an article a couple of years ago that said because of the cost of special effects they basically had to choose between the dragons and the direwolves. It cost almost as much to do the direwolves as the dragons. Since the dragons are such an important part of the story they had to basically dump the direwolves.
