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Semi-related: had a co-worker explaining to us the other day how he gambled to make cash while he was a student at ISU, just graduated a couple weeks ago. Work smarter, not harder? I had a sweet job at ISU Surplus, would have been even poorer if I was gambler... Although I did help a guy with his NFL picks during, ironically, Business Law. I think he was placing his through some sort of organized, family "business", though. Definitely was not quite legal...

I'm old placed bets at work through a friend, who knew a "guy" we placed our bets as a group and all split the W or L that way. We were good until a guy died in a snowmobile accident and we had to cover his losses. (it wasn't much like $10/person).
 

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Look at item (7), specifically parts a and b.

But that would only prohibit a CFB player from placing wagers on an event they are participating in. At this point, I haven't heard that was being accused. Cause if that were the case, that's a completely different issue than an NCAA rules violation.
 

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You’re right…. the TE group sucks too. Is that what you want me to say?

I just think this group has a ton of potential…. although it is young and inexperienced. Dean has played a lot and has looked pretty good. Klotz has played and is a good blocker. I think Moore is going to be really solid. Keller was a highly sought after recruit. And CMC has already mentioned Burkle several times, and he caught a TD in the spring game.

I admit they are young and somewhat unproven, but I think they are a talented and deep group. Sue me for being positive about something for once. I always get ripped on for being too negative all the time…. then I’m optimistic about something…. and get questioned about that too.

Ohhh…. and Benjamin Brahmer is arriving this summer, and by all accounts this kid is a stud. And they have Kai Black listed as a TE too. We only beat TE U Iowa for him.

Woah settle down I asked a question. Easton Dean sucks. I’m done sugar coating it. Whenever Campbell bragged him up I think it was motivation for him to buy into the transition from qb. He is not hardly close to serviceable.

As far as the rest of the kids, who knows, I don’t and neither do you
 

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Woah settle down I asked a question. Easton Dean sucks. I’m done sugar coating it. Whenever Campbell bragged him up I think it was motivation for him to buy into the transition from qb. He is not hardly close to serviceable.

As far as the rest of the kids, who knows, I don’t and neither do you

Iirc C-dude was one that couldn't see why ISU doesn't just run the same big scoring plays as like tOSU when it's obvious that having the athletes makes it way easier.

Then when challenged on it, it's 'well I guess ISU's players just all suck then' like there's no middle ground.

A talent upgrade? Sure. A bunch of NFL first rounders that can score from anywhere? No.
 

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But that would only prohibit a CFB player from placing wagers on an event they are participating in. At this point, I haven't heard that was being accused. Cause if that were the case, that's a completely different issue than an NCAA rules violation.
The way I read it if you are associated with a sport that can be bet on then you are barred from gambling all together on sports regardless of what sport you are gambling on.
 

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I'm no lawyer, but is appears that code is just saying the sports books need procedures and controls to prevent athletes from gambling. That doesn't necessarily make it a punishable crime from the athletes' perspective. Perhaps that's covered elsewhere in the Iowa code, but I don't see it in the link provided.
 
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Look at item (7), specifically parts a and b.
Those just look like guidelines for the gaming commission to prevent athletes, coaches, etc. from fixing games, it doesn't say it's illegal for athletes or coaches to bet on any sports, at least in that section. If it were talking about it being illegal for athletes to bet it would say what the penalties are, maybe it does that somewhere but I've never heard of that.
 
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The way I read it if you are associated with a sport that can be bet on then you are barred from gambling all together on sports regardless of what sport you are gambling on.
I think this is a NCAA thing. If you're a NCAA athlete you cannot bet on sports tied to the NCAA. Which is pretty much everything. Maybe betting on horses is allowed. But other NCAA sports, NFL, NBA, WNBA, etc is a hard no.
 

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Those just look like guidelines for the gaming commission to prevent athletes, coaches, etc. from fixing games, it doesn't say it's illegal for athletes or coaches to bet on any sports, at least in that section. If it were talking about it being illegal for athletes to bet it would say what the penalties are, maybe it does that somewhere but I've never heard of that.
A reads as if you play a sport that is gambled on you're not allowed to gamble to me.
 
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A reads as if you play a sport that is gambled on you're not allowed to gamble to me.
It says event though, I take that to mean a specific game or match. Like if you're playing in or otherwise directly associated with this game tomorrow, the gaming commission has a responsibility to prevent you from betting on it. Even still though it doesn't say it's a crime to do in that link, obviously match fixing is illegal still.
 

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I think this is a NCAA thing. If you're a NCAA athlete you cannot bet on sports tied to the NCAA. Which is pretty much everything. Maybe betting on horses is allowed. But other NCAA sports, NFL, NBA, WNBA, etc is a hard no.
What I replied to is Iowa Administration Code, which yes could have been put there in reference to the NCAA regulations, and I am not seeing anything barring it in section 99 of Iowa code at a glance so that may be the case
 

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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.
 

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The way I read it if you are associated with a sport that can be bet on then you are barred from gambling all together on sports regardless of what sport you are gambling on.

I guess I read it as only that event you are a participant.
 

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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.
A rat?
 
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What I want to know and hasn't been discussed is how they were caught? Thousands of people gamble illegally. Players at blueblood schools could walk into a Vegas sportsbook, place an annoymous bet, and no one would know who they are. How do kids get caught using technology that isn't continusly patrolled by the NCAA/FBI? and since players over 21 gambling isn't illegal (just against NCAA rules) the police wouln't get involved. And even players underage gambling isn't worthy of an FBI investigation. How many of us played blackjack with buddies in high school or college underage? How about poker? It's simply not worth the time.

And the fact nothing official has come out and everything is based on "some poster on a private board heard from a guy who knows based on what he heard..." this seems like a lot of chatter based on nothing official.
The sports book(s) did a sweep. They know exactly who is placing bets. They've got an obligation to defend their licenses by not allowing ineligible people to bet.
 
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