When do they do 100 squats? I want to see who has the best kidneys.
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You sir, are coach of the year material!
When do they do 100 squats? I want to see who has the best kidneys.
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Its obviously WAY too early to make any judgements about this recruiting class...but it sure as hell SEEMS like this coaching staff has managed to bring in a LOT of guys that are "hidden gems". This tells me that they are DAMN good at player evaluation...and that they take "calculated" risks on guys that have high level talent but perhaps are borderline with grades or other aspects. In other words, BIG kudos to the coaching staff for this recruiting class.
you're right, it is way to early to make predictions about this class. problem with your assessment of there being a lot of "hidden gems" in this class is that you could say (and people always have) that about every class ISU has ever had. we have never had a high profile class so we are forced to hope that there are a lot of gems. will there be? sure, but i doubt any more hidden gems come from this class than any other. its not very often a KO or JK comes along.
Its obviously WAY too early to make any judgements about this recruiting class...but it sure as hell SEEMS like this coaching staff has managed to bring in a LOT of guys that are "hidden gems". This tells me that they are DAMN good at player evaluation...and that they take "calculated" risks on guys that have high level talent but perhaps are borderline with grades or other aspects. In other words, BIG kudos to the coaching staff for this recruiting class.
Future STARS from this group who were "under the radar" kinds of guys:
Does it really matter if we take note of a couple of athletic players? Would you pardon us if we start to get a little excited about our Cyclones?You do realize people say that about EVERY ISU class right? Every year ISU supposedly has all these hidden gems. ISU doesn't have the money to recruit the best of the best so they are forced to take risks. Sometimes it pays off (KO, Knott, Lamaak, Stephens, Dobbins, etc), but most of the time it doesn't.
Mentioning Irving in the same sentence as Berryman is just unfair to the kid. Berryman was a first round draft pick, this kid hasn't stepped on the field yet and really the only comparison we know so far between them is that they play the same position.
Correction. Thinking that anyone was comparing Irving to Berryman is just plain stupid.Any comparison between Irving and Berryman at this point are just plain stupid.
Correction. Thinking that anyone was comparing Irving to Berryman is just plain stupid.
All that people were saying was that Berryman didn't need to put on a bunch of muscle, or learn lots of technique to contribute as a freshman. Therefore, DI may be able to contribute as well. MAY.
No comparisons involved whatsoever.
Second point--quite frankly, Knott and Klein didn't have to play special teams as freshmen. There were plenty of players who could have played ST. CPR thought they would benefit from it. Perhaps they might not have been quite the players that they were without that experience, both on the field and off. So I'm not going to second guess.
I do agree that Irving could be redshirted. He has the ability to be a star, and he even has the size right now to play for us. But he would benefit big time from a year learning from Wally. On that token though, I feel so strongly about this kid that I wouldn't be shocked if he left school early... in which case I don't think it would hurt for him to see some live competition right away. He has all the size and talent to play now, but he hasn't been coached up enough yet and needs to get the mental part and technique first.
See, you recognize his potential rolleyes, the guy you ripped on just took it to the next step and said if he played to his potential he'd be going pro early.What in the world are you talking about? Seriously. The kid just arrived on campus, and you're already talking about him leaving school early to do what... play in the NFL? Are you kidding me?
I'm as excited as anyone about David's "potential" at ISU. But my goodness, it's like you think he's already the next coming of Reggie White or something. Get a grip on reality folks.
David Irving was a TWO STAR recruit that had other offers from Colorado State and Nevada! He wasn't even a two star recruit until we offered him. He hasn't even been playing football very long. He's VERY raw right now. Could he eventually be a player for us.... yes. But PLEASE do not put super high expectations on the young man that he could never possibly live up to.
I think the coaches are high on him because he has all the measurables you're looking for. He has length and athleticism. That stuff can't be taught. But the coaches also realize he has a lot to learn fundamentally, and he has a lot of strength to build up as well.
When we signed Rony Nelson everyone was talking him up like he was just a total freak, and now it's doubtful if he can even start or make the two deeps? And Rony Nelson is much more ready physically than David Irving... by FAR.
Ask guys like Patrick Neal, Roosevelt Maggitt, or Lattimer how hard it is to become a Big 12 DE. It's taken these guys years of development, learning, and strength training to get where they are right now. And these guys were rated higher than Irving coming out of HS.
I hope David comes in and shocks me and proves me wrong, but guys like Jason Berryman are the exception, not the rule. Berryman was a highly rated 3 star player that we had to convince to come to Ames over going to Arizona. I know ratings aren't everything, but Berryman already had the skills necessary to play.
Like I said, I hope I'm completely wrong, but one thing I will NOT do is to put such high expectations on this young man that he can never live up to. He hasn't played one single down even in practice at the Big 12 level and you already have him leaving school early to go to the NFL. C'mon... you're smarter than that!
Like someone mentioned earlier that saw David in person... "he looks more like a basketball player right now than a football player". That should tell you something.
This thread is chock full of stupid.
apparently you need to do some more research. iowa state has had a long and rich histroy of recruiting under the radar, 2-star hidden gems and turning them into NFL prospects before they have time to graduate.