Female Miami Fan gets TKO'd
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Obviously he wasn’t; his punch was very accurate. And there are other ways to stop it immediately, as have been discussed in this thread.
Also, what if she was an alien that communicates by slapping police officers?
Ok fair enough. I don’t think it rises to a legal definition of unreasonable force but do understand how others are taken aback by it. I’ll stop being an ass now
There are forms of force that aren't a punch to the face of a female. This was a group of 3-4 officers and they couldn't contain a female without knocking her out? I guess Ive never run into many females I was worried about driving my nose into my brain. I also always felt the police job in and off its self was a dangerous, low glory job. And part of that job is be in danger and protect the citizens, but part of that is being better then the citizens. Hold yourselves to a higher moral code, and if that means you get a kick to the chops and lose a few teeth, then it means that. There are plenty forms of restraint taught, sprays, tazers, etc... Maybe I would react different, but punching a women just seems like the opposite of the right thing to do ever.
Why I say that is because a normal citizen or even teenager in school is held to much higher standards. If a kid knocked a female out in school they'd by suspended and in big trouble. Even if said female was clawing and pulling hair and throwing punches. So would most people... Id bet a lot of money that that officer was not for one moment worried that women was going to hurt him, or kick his nose into his brain or anyones brain. He was frustrated, and was going to show her. Which maybe is a normal feeling in that situation. But like I said, you cant have a badge and react with emotion. Or you shouldn't have a badge.
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That highlights the problem that we're seeing around the country, and the resulting backlash.
Devil's advocate question: If the PO had been a woman, does your opinion change at all (or even slightly)? It shouldn't, but I guarantee overall public perception sure would.
No problem with it. You hit a cop, all bets are off.
I think in any situation like this, the amount that an officer feels threatened would logically be affected by the physical match up between themselves and the detainee. If it was a gal hauling out some much larger person, I think it does change the perspective, as she would legitimately be more threatened by them.
It's hard not to use an eye-test when sizing up a situation, but it's a dangerous game to play. You could be on the wrong end of the next Ronda Rousey. In the end, everyone knows that if you strike an officer, bad stuff is gonna happen. I've been really really drunk and have never even considered such an act.
I bounce back and forth on these scenarios. A drunk person, regardless of gender, doesn't deserved the retaliation that was received. It was clearly excessive. On the other hand, the police officer shouldn't have to be a punching bag waiting to see if the offender is going to escalate their violence.
I agree with others saying that she should have been escorted out in an entirely different manner. That's where the real problem originates. Clear out the people between the offender and the POs and then cuff her and walk her out. Taking a drunk person off her feet and then carrying her off like they were moving a couch was really stupid.
Well, the other factor that I think has to be considered is that he had three other people with him, along with a crowd of people that would likely assist should the need arise. To justify that use of force in this particular case, you would have to assume that this gal was going to punch him out, then punch out the other three dudes and also anyone who happened to step in to help. Ronda Rousey indeed.
She probably woke up on Sunday and thought she just hit her head on something. I'm just happy that The U being back on the field, and it brings back The U in the stands as well.
I'm on the side of the cop in these types of videos a good 90% of the team. But I don't think the officer used reasonable and justified force here.
I don't really care if the "victim" was a female, but that certainly does not help the cops case whatsoever.
I don't really care if the "victim" was a female, but that certainly does not help the cops case whatsoever.
I'm guessing the term would be "excessive force"
https://definitions.uslegal.com/e/excessive-force/
"Excessive force by a law enforcement officer(s) is a violation of a person's constitutional rights. The term ‘excessive force’ is not precisely defined; however, the use of force greater than that which a reasonable and prudent law enforcement officer would use under the circumstances is generally considered to be excessive. In most cases, the minimum amount force required to achieve a safe and effective outcome during law enforcement procedures is recommended."
It's sad you feel the police are obliged to continually put their lives on the line with one hand tied behind their backs at all times. There is at least 1 Leo posting here. Maybe he can brief you on police training that says police are not allowed to use force because the drunk belligerent assailant is just a timid beautiful female.
Valid point well after the fact and with the benefit of instant replay. I'm guessing escalating the force not to MATCH the assailant but to completely subdue the assailant is the conservative approach for everyone's safety. But from the arm chair on Monday is always a great place to say what you would have done. Nice safe armchair.
