I hope you two never have a close friend, relative or family member that struggles with addiction.
You're obviously better people than alcoholics and other addicts. Or at least you need to remind yourself that.
Eustachy taunted with "Alcoholic" Chants.
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I hope you two never have a close friend, relative or family member that struggles with addiction.
You're obviously better people than alcoholics and other addicts. Or at least you need to remind yourself that.
I think it’s shameful that they would use this as an insult against Larry.
That being said – it’s sort of tough **** that Larry is tired of talking about his alcoholism. And all of the “but it’s a disease” stuff is pretty tired. I’ve seen first-hand what drug addiction and alcoholism do. Yes, Larry was a victim of this problem that he couldn’t control. But his family members were also victims. His friends were victims. The players who had to put up with his moodiness and suffer the embarrassment that he brought to the team in public were victims. Ultimately, the entire university was a victim. All he had to do was ask for/seek out help. Ames has resources, as does Des Moines, or he could even have gone out-of-state for detox and treatment to save himself some attention. Alcoholism is a “disease,” but it’s a very, very selfish one in many cases.
That being said – it’s sort of tough **** that Larry is tired of talking about his alcoholism. And all of the “but it’s a disease” stuff is pretty tired. I’ve seen first-hand what drug addiction and alcoholism do. Yes, Larry was a victim of this problem that he couldn’t control. But his family members were also victims. His friends were victims. The players who had to put up with his moodiness and suffer the embarrassment that he brought to the team in public were victims. Ultimately, the entire university was a victim. All he had to do was ask for/seek out help. Ames has resources, as does Des Moines, or he could even have gone out-of-state for detox and treatment to save himself some attention. Alcoholism is a “disease,” but it’s a very, very selfish one in many cases.
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I don't think that's what they're saying. Yes, Larry had a problem. But his problem was one that could be fixed, but he chose for a long time to let it continue affecting him and the people around him. Perhaps these two have had close friends or family members and have watched the alcoholism ruin the lives of not only the alcoholic, but the people around them.
We, as a fan base and a university, enabled Larry for a long time. We let him get to a place where things like this could happen. We share culpability in the embarrassment and actions that came from it.
I am not sure whether he did this after the game ?
Colorado State head coach Larry Eustachy dances late in Saturday’s win at Air Force | CollegeBasketballTalk
Colorado State head coach Larry Eustachy dances late in Saturday’s win at Air Force | CollegeBasketballTalk
You give people too much credit. And I don't know about you, but I wasn't aware of Larry's behavior while he was a coach here, at least to the extent that he was an alcoholic.
Substance abuse and addiction is usually related to some other type of problem. People don't just decide to become alcoholics for the fun of it.
And a lot of those people also don't have the support and resources to get help, because of friends and family who blame and judge them instead of trying to help and understand.
If a soldier comes back from war with PTSD and starts drinking heavily to deal with it, I suppose he isn't diseased either.
I've actually heard a lot of stories about Larry's behavior - some of what he would say to the players, and other times when he was embarrassing in public settings (see also: the bar) after games. He'd say things not becoming of a coach about the team.
I realize people don't usually just decide to become alcoholics just for the fun of it, but Larry had endless resources. He's not a homeless soldier with only a VA card. He had millions of dollars a year in income, and a university that was very supportive of him.
There are large numbers of resources for ANYONE who has a problem, regardless of their income. That's why we have Medicaid and other federal programs - go to the ER and get checked into the hospital for long enough to detox, and then use one of any number of free programs to stay clean. It's not just as easy as that, but the resources are there regardless of your income or support system.
In your example, the soldier's disease is PTSD, alcoholism is a byproduct of how he decided to deal with it rather than seeking help at (again) any one of the programs available to a vet. Not everyone who has PTSD is an alcoholic. Others choose to deal with it in a way that doesn't rip apart their families.
The AMA disagrees with you:
JAMA Network | JAMA | The Definition of Alcoholism
But what do they know about diseases??? They're just doctors...
No one said that. Alcoholism is not a disease. People choose to drink excessively. It's not always something else's fault they do that. Yes, I have had people close to me with issues such as this.
Which contributes to the stigma of being an alcoholic and therefore leads some who suffer from alcoholism to not seek help!
It's a disease, but one that can ultimately be controlled by the person with it, unlike, say, cancer.
I can go out and become an alcoholic tomorrow. I can't up and get cancer. Maybe go buy a can of chew, throw one in and light a cig up. Continue that for 10-15 years. You should think a little more into it before posting things like this. Not even in the same ball park champ.
The ISU student body apologized for what two students did online.
The entire student body taunting Larry over his disease in person.
Nice editing on your post.
No. You still have to involve an outside substance (insulin) to control diabetes, and be monitored by professionals. The ultimate action (or inaction) with alcoholism, no matter the resources you use to get there, is simply to not drink. There are many complex influences, but it boils down to just NOT doing something optional.
Yes, thank you. We're fortunate the DSM only had the MizzU pictures. His behavior towards some players, their parents, his boss and our President was totally unbecoming, but some people don't care about his behavior as long as the coach wins conference championships.
