Curious who ISU fans think got the better coach ...

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  1. surly

    surly Well-Known Member

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    Missouri with Martin or Illinois with Underwood? Personally, I think Martin will do better because it's an SEC job. He's the only game in the state. He's practice the art there before, a known commodity. While Underwood is going into a tough basketball league as a stranger to the task at every level.

    I know there's a lot of sour grapes in Stillwater. But they don't seem all that upset about losing Brad. StoolBoy is a former Poke coach, evidently.


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    The sky is not falling coaching wise. It may be player wise, we may lose recruits, have transfers and Jawun may go pro. All of that said, Underwood was in way over his head. I emailed back and forth with the man several times. We talked about what he should be doing offensively. It was clear there that man was insanely stubborn. The 0-6 stretch was not because of the players it was completely on him. He could not adapt to the structure of this team. Danny Henderson saved this team and final convinced Underwood to change our defensive scheme. Underwood had to be convinced over and over again. He was so stubborn he wanted to stay with the up the line and down the line strategy no matter what even after we won.
     
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  2. Cyclonepride

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    OSU's problems will come from firing a coach (deservedly so) and then hiring a new one that quit after one year. That has to set back the program in any case, so that sucks. I'm not sure Underwood proved a lot this year, but I'm not saying he didn't either. Still TBD in my mind.

    I was never that impressed by Martin. Solid, but not great. Great at parlaying success onto the next job is my fly-by impression, but I could be wrong. I'd add that Missouri is so down from where they were that they needed to make a big splash. I'm not sure they did that, and I'm not sure that Martin will meet their expectations of a top level program in time to keep them happy, as I'm betting they don't realize how far they've fallen.
     
  3. pulse

    pulse Well-Known Member

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    I thought this was going to be about Frank Martin or Bob Huggins.
     
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  4. srjclone

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    Martin because he got Porter to come with him
     
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  5. Tre4ISU

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    Acting like you know more than the guy guiding a team to the #1 offense in the country is bold. Underwood is the better coach. It's not even all that close. Martin's been to the tournament twice in nine years with a boat load of talent. He coached in the SEC while it had 2 good teams and a bunch of awful ones. The Pac-12 isn't a whole lot different.
     
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  6. NetflixAndClone

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    While I think porter does end up at Mizzou his dad hasn't taken the job there yet. Micheal Jr. may commit to Mizzou but I think he could weighing his options because if he is a one and done he might want to go to a school that could actually go deep in the tournament. At Washington he had the number 2 recruiting class coming with him. IDK if that is the case at Mizzou.
     
  7. isu2014

    isu2014 Active Member

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    Underwood is a fantastic coach.
     
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  8. srjclone

    srjclone Well-Known Member

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    If he was worried about getting into the NCAA tournament and going on a deep run, he would have never committed to Washington in the first place haha
     
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  9. cycopath25

    cycopath25 Well-Known Member

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    Underwood > Martin
     
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  10. ImJustKCClone

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    Former coach or not, he's bashing Underwood because he didn't act on StoolBoy's (probably unsolicited) advice? Can't blame Underwood for bolting if that's what his life was like down there.
     
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  11. mj4cy

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    I'm definitely not complaining OSU is starting from scratch next year unless Evans comes back.
     
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  12. DSM4Cy

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    Illinois got the better coach, no doubt. I was scared to death of what Underwood would do in Stillwater if he had the chance to build a program.
     
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  13. IASTATE07

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    Martin seems like the type that can recruit, but not coach. Just my uneducated opinion, but I would take Underwood.
     
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  14. Doc

    Doc Well-Known Member

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    My opinion is Mizzou made the better hire. Martin seems to be a better recruiter, and I'm not convinced Underwood is a good defensive coach. They were pretty bad this year.
     
  15. rholtgraves

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    Underwood by a mile. Martin is an average coach.
     
  16. knowlesjam

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    Underwood over Martin. Even if Underwood misplayed the Cowboys the first 20 games or so, he definitely hit the right combination at the season went along. The roster at Illinois isn't empty, so there is substance that Underwood can coach (like he did at Okie State). While Martin may be bringing in Porter, the rest of the cupboard is emptier than Old Mother Hubbard's. I'm not sure that Martin is able to coach that up in time to be competitive in the SEC, especially since the conference seems to have upped its game. Plus, Porter is likely a one-and-done, which gives Martin little time to make forward strides...
     
  17. rholtgraves

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    Underwood can coach defense. His last year at SFA they were a top 40 defensive team. He is a Huggins/Martin disciple.
     
  18. nfrine

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    Since Lou Henson, Illinois is not a paradise/final destination for coaching.

    Signed
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    (Weber had the longest stint of these 4)
     
  19. neiacy

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    You always wonder about guys that jump jobs every couple of years? Is Purdue is dream job & will jump at that if Painter ever leaves? Only been the tournament twice...never been to at a school more than 3 years?!?!?!?

    Illinois could be a sleeping giant if the right coach got in there. That state has tons of talent. Arguably, the best talent base in the Big 10!

    Give me Underwood!
     
  20. Clonefan32

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    Look at the talent Cal has had the last 2 years, and he's done nothing with it. Jaylen Brown, Ivan Raab, Jabari Bird, Tyrone Wallace, all NBA type guys.
     
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