Couch coaches - How to beat Kansas?
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This KU teams plays much like the KU teams of the past. LE was able to beat KU often by playing his style of ball. In reality, McDs methods are similar to Larry's. They both use the Half Court game. They both stress defense. I think Larry was bigger on importance of rebounding. But I think McD has more creative plays, particularly during the inbound. However, my point being is that Larry was able to beat KU with a similar style of play as we have now. I think this is possible but we can't let KU and the Phog get into our players' heads. Easier said than done.
This KU teams plays much like the KU teams of the past. LE was able to beat KU often by playing his style of ball. In reality, McDs methods are similar to Larry's. They both use the Half Court game. They both stress defense. I think Larry was bigger on importance of rebounding. But I think McD has more creative plays, particularly during the inbound. However, my point being is that Larry was able to beat KU with a similar style of play as we have now. I think this is possible but we can't let KU and the Phog get into our players' heads. Easier said than done.
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Get there big guys in foul trouble AND have 10 or fewer turnover's. I think this is the only real possible way. The problem is they have 3 excellent big guys and are excellent at forcing turnover's. This one could be rough on BP and DG.
Get there big guys in foul trouble AND have 10 or fewer turnover's. I think this is the only real possible way. The problem is they have 3 excellent big guys and are excellent at forcing turnover's. This one could be rough on BP and DG.
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Good analysis of the two coaches. I wish we would crash the boards more like LE's teams used to do. Greg definetly has a more creative offensive flair.
Good analysis of the two coaches. I wish we would crash the boards more like LE's teams used to do. Greg definetly has a more creative offensive flair.
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One advantage we have right now is the amount of unknowns our team has. At any given time one of our guys could have a great game. Inconsistency can be a problem and a blessing. Kansas wont know who to guard or when.
One advantage we have right now is the amount of unknowns our team has. At any given time one of our guys could have a great game. Inconsistency can be a problem and a blessing. Kansas wont know who to guard or when.
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One of the things I am worried about is our point guard position are newcomers. I just hope they play like it is just another gym and not believe the hype around Allen Fieldhouse.
I believe it was Stinson when ISU won down there had a quote about not being intimidated by KU home court and that it was like any other basketball court he had played on.
One of the things I am worried about is our point guard position are newcomers. I just hope they play like it is just another gym and not believe the hype around Allen Fieldhouse.
I believe it was Stinson when ISU won down there had a quote about not being intimidated by KU home court and that it was like any other basketball court he had played on.
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True, but Larry was also played against Roy coached teams. And I think Roy teams were susceptible to an offense and defense like Larry's. IMO, our offense and defense is exactly what Self likes to play against.
Kansas is a way different team than it was in the early 2000s when we were beating them regularly.
True, but Larry was also played against Roy coached teams. And I think Roy teams were susceptible to an offense and defense like Larry's. IMO, our offense and defense is exactly what Self likes to play against.
Kansas is a way different team than it was in the early 2000s when we were beating them regularly.
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I do think Mac is a better game time coach than Self. So we will see. If ISU has a chance in this game it is because of Mac's coaching.
I do think Mac is a better game time coach than Self. So we will see. If ISU has a chance in this game it is because of Mac's coaching.
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Which is another reason I'm in favor of us continuing to play the type of game we have in the last couple weeks. Give 'em everything we've got - including using Boozer and Lee to see if Boozer can get hot and hope Lee can give us some good defense.
IMO, our only chance is to shoot lights-out.
Take a look at the box score from last season's ISU-KU game in Ames. The recipe to hang with 'em and somehow defeat them should be very similar to last season. While our shooting wasn't fantastic, we did make 10/29 3-point shots compared to their 2/11. Not to mention, we won the turnover battle and blocked a lot of shots. If we could have avoided getting slaughtered on the boards or not shoot horribly behind the line - we win that game.
ESPN - Kansas vs. Iowa State Box Score, January 13, 2007
Which is another reason I'm in favor of us continuing to play the type of game we have in the last couple weeks. Give 'em everything we've got - including using Boozer and Lee to see if Boozer can get hot and hope Lee can give us some good defense.
IMO, our only chance is to shoot lights-out.
Take a look at the box score from last season's ISU-KU game in Ames. The recipe to hang with 'em and somehow defeat them should be very similar to last season. While our shooting wasn't fantastic, we did make 10/29 3-point shots compared to their 2/11. Not to mention, we won the turnover battle and blocked a lot of shots. If we could have avoided getting slaughtered on the boards or not shoot horribly behind the line - we win that game.
ESPN - Kansas vs. Iowa State Box Score, January 13, 2007
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Wow! What makes you think that McDermott is a better "game time" coach than Self?
No knock on McDermott here but you do realize that Self has taken 4 of his first 14 teams to the Elite 8 (Tulsa 99-00, Illinois 00-01, KU 03-04 and 06-07)...don't you?
Wow! What makes you think that McDermott is a better "game time" coach than Self?
No knock on McDermott here but you do realize that Self has taken 4 of his first 14 teams to the Elite 8 (Tulsa 99-00, Illinois 00-01, KU 03-04 and 06-07)...don't you?
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Mac outcoached him in the OT loss last year. He always has a lot of talent on his teams, and he is a good at getting the talent to come play for him. He does a good job in getting teams ready to play and getting his teams ready in the offseason. He is a good coach but he does get outmatched at times in games.
Oh I forgot you dont like Mac, dont like his coaching, and are Mr negative towards him so matter what I say will be wrong when it comes to supporting Mac.
Mac outcoached him in the OT loss last year. He always has a lot of talent on his teams, and he is a good at getting the talent to come play for him. He does a good job in getting teams ready to play and getting his teams ready in the offseason. He is a good coach but he does get outmatched at times in games.
Oh I forgot you dont like Mac, dont like his coaching, and are Mr negative towards him so matter what I say will be wrong when it comes to supporting Mac.
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He has had a winning record 12 of his first 14 years as a HC. He has made the NCAA Tournament 9 straight years (with 3 different schools)...in those 9 appearances he has 4 Elite 8s, 1 Sweet 16, 2 Second Round appearances, and only 2 "one and done" trips.
If that is considered "choking" then sign me up for some coaches that "choke".
Hey, I certainly don't like the Jayhawks anymore than the next guy on this site but I just think that impugning or trying to minimize the coaching skills of Self is a little ridiculous.
He has had a winning record 12 of his first 14 years as a HC. He has made the NCAA Tournament 9 straight years (with 3 different schools)...in those 9 appearances he has 4 Elite 8s, 1 Sweet 16, 2 Second Round appearances, and only 2 "one and done" trips.
If that is considered "choking" then sign me up for some coaches that "choke".
Hey, I certainly don't like the Jayhawks anymore than the next guy on this site but I just think that impugning or trying to minimize the coaching skills of Self is a little ridiculous.
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You could say that about every coach that has ever coached a game.
By the way, I don't appreciate you "putting words into my mouth"...I have never said that I don't like Mac or his coaching. Frankly, I support what he is doing...but that doesn't mean that I have to blindly follow him without ever questioning his approach or results.
You could say that about every coach that has ever coached a game.
By the way, I don't appreciate you "putting words into my mouth"...I have never said that I don't like Mac or his coaching. Frankly, I support what he is doing...but that doesn't mean that I have to blindly follow him without ever questioning his approach or results.
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I would love to see us throw out something completely unexpected... Maybe go ten deep, press the whole game and run with them, might as well if they aren't expecting it...
I would love to see us throw out something completely unexpected... Maybe go ten deep, press the whole game and run with them, might as well if they aren't expecting it...
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I think our only hope is for Brandon Rush to get another speeding ticket arrest, but this time suspend him from the team:biglaugh:
I think our only hope is for Brandon Rush to get another speeding ticket arrest, but this time suspend him from the team:biglaugh:
Have Chizik and Cael go down to KU and Tawnya Harding every KU player including Bill Self and that might get close enough to sniff a win.
