Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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  1. Ms3r4ISU

    Ms3r4ISU Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I understand that, and thanks for clarifying. My "point" was more that those in charge use certain phrases and they mean something specific, and the rest of the world hears and reads the same phrases and understands them completely differently. Everyone needs to use the simplest terms with no ambiguity (or as little as possible) today. When I first read/heard "shelter in place" all I could think of was bombs being dropped on people who were outside and visible. Even though I was pretty sure that wasn't what was meant.
     
  2. ClonesTwenty1

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    Still hard for ones who want to self isolate but don’t want to get in trouble if not showing up to work.
     
  3. jdcyclone19

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    I like this IDPH representative better than the other lady. More info, better at conveying info.
     
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  4. jsb

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    can you take vacation or sick leave?

    if you aren’t sick snd absolutely have to work, this makes it safer for you.
     
  5. CyJack13

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    Now they need to start getting people to realize that this could last through the entire summer, not just a few weeks. If they are serious about not overwhelming the healthcare system people need to start getting the mindset that things will be shut down until late summer early fall, best case scenario.
     
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  6. Statefan10

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    So is she mandating anything or just recommending non-essential businesses to work from home if they can? I haven't been able to listen to much of it because the video has been screwy on my computer.
     
  7. Urbandale2013

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    Again maybe that would be the best thing for it from a pandemic response standpoint but it’s just not going to happen. The sooner people particularly doctors realize they aren’t making decisions in a vacuum the better off we will be.

    I’m afraid that they aren’t preparing for the fact that we won’t stay like this for months until they can get a vaccine.
     
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  8. Al_4_State

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    Absolutely not. That will destroy our economy. We can't do that and not be prepared for a reality that is far worse than virus.

    Unless you just force the halt of property taxes, utilities, and what not on the shutdown businesses, it is completely not sustainable or realistic to do this, and if we insist on it, we are bringing YEARS of hell upon ourselves.
     
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  9. CyJack13

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    I don't disagree with you, but once you put in these shelter in place orders and cases keep going up and up, how do you begin to open things back up? And then when the numbers spike back up after the restrictions have been lifted, and they will, how do you justify not putting that shelter in place order back on?
     
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  10. CyJack13

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    Yes, there's a good chance this is the end outcome of all this. Things are not going to get back to how they were any time soon.
     
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  11. Al_4_State

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    Because it clearly didn't ******* work, and we're better off dealing with the consequences of the virus if shelter-in-place can't contain it. You'll kill off both the economy and the vulnerable population at that rate.

    China is returning to normal after 3 months. That is a much more densely populated country than the United States. We can get there.
     
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  12. tman24

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    I believe most of the problem was if they go back to school for 3 more weeks at the end of the year. IF they paid the hourly folks for the current 3 weeks and than the extra 3 weeks at the end, that more than what they budgeted. However now it seems we aren't going back to school and will be done around the normal time, so its kind of a mute point.
     
  13. PSYclone22

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    What is the definition of a 'destroyed economy'? How would those here define it?

    Obviously things will be bad if this lasts through summer (a likely, if not probable, scenario).

    But how many functions of our economy will not come out okay from that? In Iowa, we won't be spending money on movie theaters, at malls, etc. I think there will be a lot of people impacted (see the Fed's 30% unemployment forecast). But after the summer hopefully things can pick back up and weather any additional peaks in cases, like one we'll likely see in fall.

    I know it will be bad, but I tend to think economic impacts are overstated.
     
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  14. simply1

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    Or you see this happen.
     
  15. CyJack13

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    And only now will we see if China actually contained the virus. Their quarantine measures were much more restrictive and lasted for two months with most places only now starting to get back up to speed. There are also reports of hospitals refusing to test for it now to not show any more cases. I think there's a very good chance we see major flare ups of this in China again in the next few weeks, and that may or may not be reported and China will take drastic steps, that the US can't possibly take to contain it.
     
  16. cycloneworld

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    Why would fishing in their boat matter? The whole point is physical isolation and distancing from other people. If you go do something on your own and don't come into contact with others, that shouldn't be something that is bad...
     
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  17. isutrevman

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    Employers have to be leaders in this. My office told us 2 weeks ago that if we are sick, or anyone in our family is sick, we are expected to stay home for at least 2 days AFTER our symptoms are completely gone. That takes the decision making away from the employee and eliminates the "guilt" that can come with staying home sick, and not pushing through. I think most employers want sick people staying home. At least the smart ones who don't want to cripple half their work force y spreading any illnesses around the office. Obviously there are exceptions to that, though.
     
  18. isutrevman

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    To put 30% unemployment into perspective, it was around 25% during the great depression. It's hard to link a direct fatality rate to that, but it wouldn't be small.
     
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  19. Al_4_State

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    Hong Kong population density: 17,552 people per square mile

    US population density: 87 people per square mile

    While Hong Kong certainly has a lesson in it, let's not pretend it's even a little like the US.
     
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  20. jmb

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    Better.
     

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