Coaching Graveyard theory.....

[Beyerball]

Is complete BS......and I'm growing tired of local media every 4-5 years writing stuff that other potential candidates read and it simply isn't true. This is not 1990. We are nearly 30 years removed from a program that was considered a "coaching graveyard". Let's just look at some facts surrounding being a HC of football at Iowa State right now, not 30 years ago, right now...

Ames, Iowa:

1- Great family town as recognized by many national publications as the perfect place to raise a family.

2- virtually zero violent crime rate.

3- very good school systems academically.

4- cheap as hell to live in compared with many other states and cities.

5- Weather is pretty darn good 8-9 months out of the year. Sit back and enjoy a white Christmas.

6- Traffic is basically non existent and town is easy to get around in.

Iowa State Football:
1- Now has 21st century facilities and is at the very least on par with many P5 programs.

2- A fan base which is fiercely loyal and will put at least 50,000 fans in the stadium no matter what is happening. If it's good u will see 61,500 every game. There are many FBS P5 programs with much greater success and history who don't come close to this...This is a far cry from a Graveyard.

3- Many football coaches have left ISU and gone on to have successful careers elsewhere. Jay Norvell, Tom Herman, Chizik, Steve Loney, Chris Ash, Tony Alford. I'm sure I'm missing others, these were off the top of my head. A coaching graveyard doesn't allow you to leave this cesspool of a graveyard program to move on to coach at Auburn and win a NC and this is after 2 years of horrible losing football at Iowa State. Coaching Graveyards don't allow this to happen.

4- An Athletic Dept, Atheltic Director, University, and fan base that will give you 6-7 years to right the ship and be successful. No other P5 program will allow this..none.

5- If you are successful as the HC at ISU you will be idolized and supported like a God, which will allow you as a HC to have a very long lucrative contract or move on to a power house program, either of which is great for you as the HC.

I'm not aiming this at CW. ISU being a coaching graveyard gets tossed around by every outlet in the state and some outside the state and it's simply not true today. Perception is reality and it needs to stop.

 

[3TrueFans]

6- Traffic is basically non existent and town is easy to get around in.

Duff Ave. says "you serious, bro?".

 

[hoiballin33]

AMEN BROTHER

 

[AWOL2000]

It will only stop when someone finally wins here consistantly. Up until then get used to it.

 

[Beyerball]

Duff Ave. says "you serious, bro?".

Try driving down the Eisenhower Expressway in Chicago at 5pm on Friday. Really? That one train going by costing drivers 10 minutes? Please.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Lol. Win football games. Simple as.

 

[00clone]

I'm not aiming this at CW. ISU being a coaching graveyard gets tossed around by every outlet in the state and some outside the state and it's simply not true today. Perception is reality and it needs to stop.

Aside from any of the other stuff being true or not, you're right, perception is reality...and outside of CF, that's the perception. It's JP's job to convince potential candidates that's not the case, it's not Chris' job, in an opinion piece, to pretend that perception isn't out there.

 

[Wesley]

Is complete BS......and I'm growing tired of local media every 4-5 years writing stuff that other potential candidates read and it simply isn't true. This is not 1990. We are nearly 30 years removed from a program that was considered a "coaching graveyard". Let's just look at some facts surrounding being a HC of football at Iowa State right now, not 30 years ago, right now...

Ames, Iowa:

1- Great family town as recognized by many national publications as the perfect place to raise a family.

2- virtually zero violent crime rate.

3- very good school systems academically.

4- cheap as hell to live in compared with many other states and cities.

5- Weather is pretty darn good 8-9 months out of the year. Sit back and enjoy a white Christmas.

6- Traffic is basically non existent and town is easy to get around in.

Iowa State Football:
1- Now has 21st century facilities and is at the very least on par with many P5 programs.

2- A fan base which is fiercely loyal and will put at least 50,000 fans in the stadium no matter what is happening. If it's good u will see 61,500 every game. There are many FBS P5 programs with much greater success and history who don't come close to this...This is a far cry from a Graveyard.

3- Many football coaches have left ISU and gone on to have successful careers elsewhere. Jay Norvell, Tom Herman, Chizik, Steve Loney, Chris Ash, Tony Alford. I'm sure I'm missing others, these were off the top of my head. A coaching graveyard doesn't allow you to leave this cesspool of a graveyard program to move on to coach at Auburn and win a NC and this is after 2 years of horrible losing football at Iowa State. Coaching Graveyards don't allow this to happen.

4- An Athletic Dept, Atheltic Director, University, and fan base that will give you 6-7 years to right the ship and be successful. No other P5 program will allow this..none.

5- If you are successful as the HC at ISU you will be idolized and supported like a God, which will allow you as a HC to have a very long lucrative contract or move on to a power house program, either of which is great for you as the HC.

I'm not aiming this at CW. ISU being a coaching graveyard gets tossed around by every outlet in the state and some outside the state and it's simply not true today. Perception is reality and it needs to stop.

It still all comes down to JP and the 10 year contract that Paul pleasantly signed.

 

[Beyerball]

It will only stop when someone finally wins here consistantly. Up until then get used to it.

Not true. Coaching graveyard gets tossed around to say if u come here u will die here...no? That's what a graveyard analogy is. It's simply not true as I pointed out. Or tried to.

 

[Cyclonick182]

Try driving down the Eisenhower Expressway in Chicago at 5pm on Friday. Really? That one train going by costing drivers 10 minutes? Please.

I commute 15 miles from door to door every day for work. It takes right at 60 minutes most days. I always giggle a little at the Iowa traffic comments.

 

[CyJam]

Not true. Coaching graveyard gets tossed around to say if u come here u will die here...no? That's what a graveyard analogy is. It's simply not true as I pointed out. Or tried to.

Tried, but failed.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Not true. Coaching graveyard gets tossed around to say if u come here u will die here...no? That's what a graveyard analogy is. It's simply not true as I pointed out. Or tried to.

Well their career will anyway. I don't see how that is up for debate really in the modern era. You just pointed out a bunch of nice things about ISU that have nothing to do with coaches coming here and losing a lot.

Failed to.

 

[Wesley]

Try driving down the Eisenhower Expressway in Chicago at 5pm on Friday. Really? That one train going by costing drivers 10 minutes? Please.

Add in bay area and DC and NYC. You get to sight see a lot along the road.

 

[Beyerball]

Aside from any of the other stuff being true or not, you're right, perception is reality...and outside of CF, that's the perception. It's JP's job to convince potential candidates that's not the case, it's not Chris' job, in an opinion piece, to pretend that perception isn't out there.

It's perception because it's been written about for 30 years now not because we don't win. Its an analogy that has stuck in people's minds in the profession because it's been written about over an over and other coaches have come and gone and been successful. I never said it's not difficult to win at Iowa State but that's not to say if u come here you will die here as a coach.

 

[AWOL2000]

Not true. Coaching graveyard gets tossed around to say if u come here u will die here...no? That's what a graveyard analogy is. It's simply not true as I pointed out. Or tried to.

The only head coach you mentioned was Chiz. Every other head coach has gone nowhere after being here except 1 or 2 in the last 50 years or so. It's a head coaching graveyard. Assistants can leave and not have the "didn't get it done" tag tshat a head coach has.

 

[jsb]

In a state with little football talent and another bcs school. In a talented conference with 9 conference games. No coach has won here consistently. If you want to believe there are hoards of good coaches beating down the door to coach here, go ahead and give me whatever you are smoking.

There red was a poster who insisted we could land a successful bcs level head coach at Iowa state. That was also stupid.

 

[Beyerball]

Well their career will anyway. I don't see how that is up for debate really in the modern era. You just pointed out a bunch of nice things about ISU that have nothing to do with coaches coming here and losing a lot.

Failed to.

There have been coaches that have been here that have gone on to have success elsewhere.

 

[Spam]

So many of the reasons you list make Ames attractive for a 40 year old family man with young kids.

But for recruits? If only they were concerned about the excellent school system, raising family etc. Traffic non existent? That probably means the town is dead. Low crime rate? That probably means it's tighty whitey midwest town.

And if a place isn't attractive for recruits, it isn't attractive for coaches.

As for the football related points you make, I do agree.

 

[jsb]

Ames is a nice place. But we just had a coach that legitimately loved Ames and he found a better place to coach. So we probably shouldn't be selling Ames as the best place ever.

 

[Beyerball]

The only head coach you mentioned was Chiz. Every other head coach has gone nowhere after being here except 1 or 2 in the last 50 years or so. It's a head coaching graveyard. Assistants can leave and not have the "didn't get it done" tag tshat a head coach has.

True but you will have enough time and get enough money that it really doesn't matter does it? That was my other point. It doesn't have to happen in 2-3 years like all other P5 gigs. You think CPR will be all that beat up other than wanting to succeed here? He will have had 11+ years of making $2mil a year being at this graveyard.