CBS Early Big XII Power Rankings

[randomfan44]

This is wash, rinse, repeat logic from last year. Did y'all cut&paste or retype these thoughts, when every one of you had State 9 or 10? They finished a game out of the top half. It will happen again. And then they'll be all kinds of rationalization here to validate, or it will be as silent as the lambs.

Whatever, I'm open to the above wager for anyone willing to put their money where their opinions lay. K-State will be way better than projected here this winter, just as they were last. A fact ISU fans continue to ignore, BTW.

I have State finishing at #5.

KSU finished 6th and TCU, OU and UT (who all finished below KSU) all improved their rosters more than KSU did in the offseason. So I expect to see all three of those teams finish above KSU. KSU, ISU, OSU an TT will be the bottom 4 in some order and that order will largely depend on health.

 

[randomfan44]

I like how you try to make last year sound better. "a game out of the first half". They were 6th in a down year and had a losing conference record and lose their best players. Only a homer would think they will do better. Especially with out any apparent talent infusion. As I said, I can see KState finish anywhere from 6th to 9th. You are willing to wager something on a bet no one made but you... They also weren't way better than projected last year. I am not sure what projections you were looking at.

Fans always think returning mediocre players will magically stop being mediocre due to the passage of a two month offseason with no acknowledgement that it is a talent gap, not an experience gap, that is preventing these players from being better. KSU lost their most talented player and replaced him with a bunch of less talented players. Their ceiling in the Big 12 is probably at about #7

 

[surly]

@surly

I really like Weber's ability to find good players that aren't rated particularly highly, but it's hard to look at that recruiting class and expect a whole lot from it. And from a non-homer perspective, here is what you have coming back.

Stokes: Decent player, but possibly the worst starting PG in the B12 this upcoming year. That's not a joke. The league is loaded there. I couldn't tell you who will replace Monte'.
Brown: Great defensive player, below average offensively. He's been working on shooting fundamentals for that reason.
Sneed: Good player. How big a step does he take his sophomore year? 4* out of high school, who could have gone many places - look for a huge improvement between frosh and sophomore years.
Wade: Good player, but a stretch 4 won't get you 2nd place in the B12. He won't be able to make up for Johnson's rebounding and defense inside. D.J. played at 5 not 4.
You're probably going to throw a bunch of young, fresh, bigs out there, and it's going to be foul fest nightmare a lot of the season. Most likely former 4* Utah recruit will be in the paint,http://www.kstatesports.com/sport/m-baskbl/2017/roster/590cc561e4b0f093961411ce

 

[Cycsk]

And another thread becomes a conversation about a troll's thoughts and team. At least this one was semi-relevant to the thread topic.

So, who is most likely to go into the Phog and win this year? Anybody?

 

[CyTwins]

You couldn't tell who is replacing Monte? I'll guess this guy

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2017/lindell-wigginton-1414

 

[CyTwins]

Mawien wasn't a 4 star recruit

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2015/makol-mawien-32528

http://247sports.com/Player/Makol-Mawien-54489?Institution=21874

 

[YeahBuddy]

You couldn't tell who is replacing Monte? I'll guess this guy

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2017/lindell-wigginton-1414

Thought you were a 247 guy?

 

[surly]

And another thread becomes a conversation about a troll's thoughts and team. At least this one was semi-relevant to the thread topic.

So, who is most likely to go into the Phog and win this year? Anybody?

Depends on how many steps they allow Svi, I suppose.

 

[surly]

I like how you try to make last year sound better. "a game out of the first half". They were 6th in a down year and had a losing conference record and lose their best players. Only a homer would think they will do better. Especially without any apparent talent infusion and other teams seeming to get better. As I said, I can see KState finish anywhere from 6th to 9th. You are willing to wager something on a bet no one made but you... They also weren't way better than projected last year. I am not sure what projections you were looking at.

You have many holes in your argument but the most obvious is highlighted. Here are the preseason rankings.

Team (First-place votes) Points
1. Kansas (9)* 81
2. West Virginia 65
3. Texas 59
4. Iowa State (1) 56
5. Baylor 53
6. Oklahoma 40
7. Oklahoma State 32
Texas Tech 32
9. K-State 20
10. TCU 12

 

[rholtgraves]

Mawien averaged 8.7 points per game as a JUCO after a redshirt year at Utah and wasn't a four star

 

[CloniesForLife]

Mawien averaged 8.7 points per game as a JUCO after a redshirt year at Utah and wasn't a four star

Yeah but now that he is at K-State expect a HUGE jump in development

 

[surly]

Mawien averaged 8.7 points per game as a JUCO after a redshirt year at Utah and wasn't a four star

You need to defend you're earlier nonsense about State not exceeding expectations last year.

As for Mawien, my point was that it wouldn't be a bunch of freshmen playing post, as earlier alluded to by an ISU fan, but rather this youngster, who, regardless my stars error, has some experience and game. How much, we'll have to see. I don't know.

 

[rholtgraves]

You have many holes in your argument but the most obvious is highlighted. Here are the preseason rankings.

Team (First-place votes) Points
1. Kansas (9)* 81
2. West Virginia 65
3. Texas 59
4. Iowa State (1) 56
5. Baylor 53
6. Oklahoma 40
7. Oklahoma State 32
Texas Tech 32
9. K-State 20
10. TCU 12

3 spots higher is not way better than projected. Again, not sure what world you live in? They also projected Texas and OU to be a better than they were. Those two schools being bad allowed KState to move up and again have a losing record in the Big 12. 8-10. Nice try though.

 

[rholtgraves]

You need to defend you're earlier nonsense about State not exceeding expectations last year.

As for Mawien, my point was that it wouldn't be a bunch of freshmen playing post, as earlier alluded to by an ISU fan, but rather this youngster, who, regardless my stars error, has some experience and game. How much, we'll have to see. I don't know.

Again, you said far exceeded expectations. You only proved me right. Maybe it is the purple font that has you a little confused.

 

[surly]

Best to let your argument stand on it's own merits, rholt. I couldn't add much more for my side.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-2016-17-big-12-college-basketball-standings

 

[rholtgraves]

Best to let your argument stand on it's own merits, rholt. I couldn't add much more for my side.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-2016-17-big-12-college-basketball-standings

Yes, let it. Maybe it is just that your own expectations of them have lowered so much that finishing 8-10 in the conference is FAR better than expected. In which case, all I have to say is, that is what Bruce Weber will do for ya.

 

[CyTwins]

Best to let your argument stand on it's own merits, rholt. I couldn't add much more for my side.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...e-2016-17-big-12-college-basketball-standings

Lol bleacher report?

 

[CycloneErik]

KSU finished 6th and TCU, OU and UT (who all finished below KSU) all improved their rosters more than KSU did in the offseason. So I expect to see all three of those teams finish above KSU. KSU, ISU, OSU an TT will be the bottom 4 in some order and that order will largely depend on health.

Also, Bruce Weber.

 

[WalkingCY]

Also, Bruce Weber.

 

[surly]