Campbell weighs in on pay-for-play vs. NIL deals in college football recruiting

[JStanz51]

Good stuff from Coach Campbell here.

Campbell weighs in on NIL vs. pay-for-play deals in college football

Oct 30, 2021; Morgantown, West Virginia, USA; Iowa State Cyclones head coach Matt Campbell along the sidelines late in the fourth quarter against the West Virginia Mountaineers at Mountaineer Field at Milan Puskar Stadium. Mandatory Credit: Ben Queen-USA TODAY Sports Few coaches in college footba

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[20eyes]

From the article...

That is not name, image and likeness, and it is not what the people who have been standing up for players’ rights to profit off their image have been pushing for years.

The problem with CMC's comment is that it's dead wrong. The collectives are permissible and are very much NIL. This is what affording student-athletes the right to profit looks like. They will. Especially with the help of rich programs and programs with a system in place from enriching players illegally for years.

 

[jsb]

From the article...

That is not name, image and likeness, and it is not what the people who have been standing up for players’ rights to profit off their image have been pushing for years.

The problem with CMC's comment is that it's dead wrong. The collectives are permissible and are very much NIL. This is what affording student-athletes the right to profit looks like. They will. Especially with the help of rich programs and programs with a system in place from enriching players illegally for years.

But I think what Campbell means is that just paying a player is not the intent of NIL.

 

[Clonefan32]

From the article...

That is not name, image and likeness, and it is not what the people who have been standing up for players’ rights to profit off their image have been pushing for years.

The problem with CMC's comment is that it's dead wrong. The collectives are permissible and are very much NIL. This is what affording student-athletes the right to profit looks like. They will. Especially with the help of rich programs and programs with a system in place from enriching players illegally for years.

I'm not sure you're interpreting that quite correctly. Pay-for-play and NIL are too very different concepts. Pay-for-play would allow college athletes to be paid something resembling a salary. You are paid to play football by this school. It would undoubtedly be coupled with restrictions, caps, rules, etc.

NIL is not about a school paying them, but rather about them benefiting from their popularity and notoriety.

At some point the line between the two became blurred and I think that's what Campbell is talking about. Once they realized there's really no governing what constitutes NIL, it became its hybrid of pay-for-play, just without any rules, and I'm not sure that's what anyone envisioned wanting.

 

[20eyes]

But I think what Campbell means is that just paying a player is not the intent of NIL.

And what I'm saying is intent means nothing.

I'm also saying NIL is de facto pay for play, or at least it is in the hands of programs that want it to be, like Texas.

It matters not at all what anyone envisioned...we HAVE pay for play. This is what the right to earning money off NIL looks like.

 

[CycloneFan97]

I think Campbell is saying that some schools are doing pay for play, but it's being masked as NIL, and he doesn't like that aspect of it

 

[20eyes]

I think Campbell is saying that some schools are doing pay for play, but it's being masked as NIL, and he doesn't like that aspect of it

Exactly right...and the relegation begins. ISU under Campbell won't stoop to UT's level, or the rest of the filthy SEC...but a lot of programs will.

With the right GM...errrrrrrr...AD, Kansas could dominate the Big 12 in three years...two?

 

[RustShack]

Exactly right...and the relegation begins. ISU under Campbell won't stoop to UT's level, or the rest of the filthy SEC...but a lot of programs will.

With the right GM...errrrrrrr...AD, Kansas could dominate the Big 12 in three years...two

AD’s don’t recruit or pay NIL.

 

[JM4CY]

Exactly right...and the relegation begins. ISU under Campbell won't stoop to UT's level, or the rest of the filthy SEC...but a lot of programs will.

With the right GM...errrrrrrr...AD, Kansas could dominate the Big 12 in three years...two?

Deep pocket KU fans aren't going to take their dollars away from Bill Self to give to the thing they call a football program.

 

[MeowingCows]

And what I'm saying is intent means nothing.

I'm also saying NIL is de facto pay for play, or at least it is in the hands of programs that want it to be, like Texas.

It matters not at all what anyone envisioned...we HAVE pay for play. This is what the right to earning money off NIL looks like.

Campbell holds the idealist view ('earning it) to your realist one, unfortunately.

 

[Big_Sill]

I believe Campbell's idealistic view on NIL / Pay for play truly represents how he feels. I also believe that this is the ONLY position ISU and Matt can take on the matter, and it is extremely convenient for a school who CAN"T compete in the "Pay for play disguised as NIL" model. Pollard takes the same position, but on a much larger scale. Someone said ISU WON'T stoop to the SEC level, but I think its more because we CAN'T.

 

[isucy86]

And what I'm saying is intent means nothing.

I'm also saying NIL is de facto pay for play, or at least it is in the hands of programs that want it to be, like Texas.

It matters not at all what anyone envisioned...we HAVE pay for play. This is what the right to earning money off NIL looks like.

There are always ways to address NIL through regulation.

The college sport governing bodies could prohibit "boosters" from donating to collectives.

An independent 3rd party could review NIL agreements for financial reasonableness based on an athletes NIL services.

The governing body could prohibit agency's/agents from fronting athlete's money.

In the end, the NCAA or whoever the governing body can determine an athletes eligibility to receive a scholarship and play. So I am sure a bunch of smart people can bring NIL back in line with the original purpose.

 

[CyLyte2]

This all started with NCAA Football on PlayStation. The kids thought they should be paid for their likenesses being used to sell the video game. Maybe rightfully so. That is what NIL is. Someone uses your name, image or likeness to sell their product then you should get paid for that. Handing over money absent using a name, image or likeness is just paying players. Campbell is right.

 

[qwerty]

I never clicked on it to see details or even if true.



Looks like it is true.

Jaden Rashada turned down millions, will still have highest known NIL deal for recruits

Jaden Rashada “left millions on the table” from NIL by picking Miami over Florida. Yet, his deal looks to be the richest ever for a recruit.

www.on3.com

 

[SCarolinaCy]

I never clicked on it to see details or even if true.

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Looks like it is true.

Jaden Rashada turned down millions, will still have highest known NIL deal for recruits

Jaden Rashada “left millions on the table” from NIL by picking Miami over Florida. Yet, his deal looks to be the richest ever for a recruit.

www.on3.com

Kid is a no show and left Florida and coaches standing at the altar. https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ada-faq-top-recruit-nil-deal-florida-football

 

[CyCrazy]

Kid is a no show and left Florida and coaches standing at the altar. https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ada-faq-top-recruit-nil-deal-florida-football

Neg, Florida didnt want to pay him.

 

[Cyclad]

I believe Campbell's idealistic view on NIL / Pay for play truly represents how he feels. I also believe that this is the ONLY position ISU and Matt can take on the matter, and it is extremely convenient for a school who CAN"T compete in the "Pay for play disguised as NIL" model. Pollard takes the same position, but on a much larger scale. Someone said ISU WON'T stoop to the SEC level, but I think its more because we CAN'T.

You are a wise man, Big Sill, I was going to post the exact same thing. Easy to have principles, when you cannot afford not to.

 

[Pope]

You are a wise man, Big Sill, I was going to post the exact same thing. Easy to have principles, when you cannot afford not to.

I'm a HUGE fan of Matt Campbell, but I have to agree that ISU's position on NIL seems a bit hypocritical.

It sounds like Campbell is saying it's fine for players to earn NIL big bucks, but those dollars should be used only to retain players, not to recruit them.

Didn't ISU offer Campbell around $3 million/year to leave Toledo and come to ISU? So it's ok to do that for coaches, but not for players?

 

[Jonyrose]

I'm a HUGE fan of Matt Campbell, but I have to agree that ISU's position on NIL seems a bit hypocritical.

It sounds like Campbell is saying it's fine for players to earn NIL big bucks, but those dollars should be used only to retain players, not to recruit them.

Didn't ISU offer Campbell around $3 million/year to leave Toledo and come to ISU? So it's ok to do that for coaches, but not for players?

Yes, but Campbell had a coaching history. I think his concern is these players with no history at the collegiate level getting brought in by those massive numbers

 

[Pope]

Yes, but Campbell had a coaching history. I think his concern is these players with no history at the collegiate level getting brought in by those massive numbers

Of course they don't have any history at the collegiate level - they're high school seniors. But they've had an incredible history of success at the high school level. By the same token, Campbell had no history at the power 5 level. So it's okay for Campbell to receive millions before he ever coaches a game at Iowa State, but it's not okay for a highly sought after player to receive thousands before he ever plays at game at Iowa State. Seems inconsistent to me.

Look, I hate the idea of 18 year olds being paid enormous sums of money to enroll at university, but I do respect their right to share in the massive amount of money that's been going to their coaches who, for many years, have been getting rich off the players' hard work.