Caleb Grill has entered the portal and committed to Mizzou

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Agreed.

As I said before 99% of coaches go off worse on officials than he did and now he has steroid issues, mental issues, substance issues? This thread is embarrassing and unfair to him unless something actually comes out.
It's just this:
He's been booted from games. That happens, but it doesn't happen to many college players.
He's been booted off of a team. It happens, but it's a pretty small percentage that outright get dismissed from a team for internal matters.
He came out discussing his mental health issues.

In a vacuum this T and exit would be nothing. All the other factors are why it's being discussed in the context of his past and mental health struggles. Maybe it's all unrelated.

As for the substance thing, someone raised the prospects of PEDs. Probably a leap to tie it to behavior, but it's about as Occam's Razory a thing to say when a guy posts that he gained 14 lbs of lean muscle between June and July this past summer.

Nothing's COMPLETELY impossible, but there is no amount of diet, lifting, and supplements that are going to do something like that without the aid of a hormone effecting substance. It's something I always find hilarious when college athletes, particularly those that have are going to the NFL draft or have been in a S&C program showing how they gained some stupid amount of muscle in a short period of time.
 

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taking creatine and drinking **** ton of water you could gain 10 pounds in a month. just going by weight doesnt mean a whole lot. did he gain 10 pounds of muscle? hell i gain 2-3 pounds just from after morning piss to just before bed. water weights a lot.
 

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We're at the sad stage in the state and country that 50% of people openly root for people to fail and they love it when someone else struggles (as long as its not them or their family, then they expect all of the sympathy). We should all hope he's okay and, if he needs help, he gets it.

Who is rooting for him to fail in this thread rehash?
 
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I may have missed it but where does it say he gained it only in a month? I just assumed it was the S&C and nutrition a D1 athlete over the course of an offseason.
The post on X just listed him gaining 14 pounds in a month. They never said it was muscle weight. It's just a dumb hype tweet from the basketball program. He looks a little bigger in the comparison photos, but it could have just been before and after photos from a weight lifting session. People are making way too big of a deal about the weight thing. He's not that much bigger from his time at ISU. If anything he's nowhere near as cut as I remember him being.
 

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I don’t want to downplay mental health as I have friends and colleagues who struggle with some pretty heavy stuff but to me it seems he just has really bad temper/anger problem and he has trouble controlling it.

Blast me if I’m out of line but that’s not a mental health issue it’s a not growing the F up issue.
Impulse control, anger, and executive functioning can often be results of trauma and failed mental (cognitive/behavioral) maturity.

It’s very much in the realm of mental health.
 
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It's just this:
He's been booted from games. That happens, but it doesn't happen to many college players.
He's been booted off of a team. It happens, but it's a pretty small percentage that outright get dismissed from a team for internal matters.
He came out discussing his mental health issues.

In a vacuum this T and exit would be nothing. All the other factors are why it's being discussed in the context of his past and mental health struggles. Maybe it's all unrelated.

As for the substance thing, someone raised the prospects of PEDs. Probably a leap to tie it to behavior, but it's about as Occam's Razory a thing to say when a guy posts that he gained 14 lbs of lean muscle between June and July this past summer.

Nothing's COMPLETELY impossible, but there is no amount of diet, lifting, and supplements that are going to do something like that without the aid of a hormone effecting substance. It's something I always find hilarious when college athletes, particularly those that have are going to the NFL draft or have been in a S&C program showing how they gained some stupid amount of muscle in a short period of time.


The post on X just listed him gaining 14 pounds in a month. They never said it was muscle weight. It's just a dumb hype tweet from the basketball program. He looks a little bigger in the comparison photos, but it could have just been before and after photos from a weight lifting session. People are making way too big of a deal about the weight thing. He's not that much bigger from his time at ISU. If anything he's nowhere near as cut as I remember him being.

Also remember that Athletics twitter feeds aren’t operating in a court of law, they can say whatever they want. They could have put those side by sides and said Caleb lost 50 lbs and now has a 4.19 40 time. It’s doesn’t matter.
 
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He didn’t kick the ref in the face, then pull out a can of spray paint and tag the ref with “CWO”. You can watch a set of 8 games on any random Thursday and see this kind of behavior. It wasn’t something I would call crazy behavior on a basketball court, especially from a team that is surprisingly down huge.

No one called Dustin Hogue a mental case when he ninja kicked a guy in the chest with a toothpick in his mouth when we were getting crushed in Morgantown.
That's because that was AMAZING! :bugle:
 

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I don’t want to downplay mental health as I have friends and colleagues who struggle with some pretty heavy stuff but to me it seems he just has really bad temper/anger problem and he has trouble controlling it.

Blast me if I’m out of line but that’s not a mental health issue it’s a not growing the F up issue.
Agree. Someone posted about mental health issues coming to fruition around his age, which is true. I have an uncle who by all accounts was a normal kid then at 20 or 21 flipped. Turns out he has schizophrenia, this isn't that.
 
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Kansas recruits iowa and they get Hinrich, Collison, and Lefrentz. ISU recruits Kansas and gets a mental case. Go figure. He is a perfect representative of that miserable state.
You are an *******. Spelled that way to make sure you saw it. Richard.
 
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True, but that's not why they suck.

They suck because they haven't made a good coaching hire in either sport for about 30 years.
Football since Holtz was there in 84-85:
John Gutekunst, Jim Wacker, Glen Mason, Tim Brewster, Jeff Horton, Jerry Kill, Tracy Claeys, P. J. Fleck
not exactly a hall of fame list - Mason was barely over .500 in 10 years.

BBall - Clem Haskins was there for 13 years, and managed 111-100 record. Tubby was there 6 years and was pretty good actually 124-81. Although I think BOTH got caught doing bad things iirc.
The others Monson, Molinari, Little Ricky, and Ben Johnson now - woof.


Put say, Klieman and TJ at Minny, with more money and more population, and they could be Top 10 programs, similar to Wisky when they had Bennett and Alvarez.
Jerry Kill is solid and was doing decent things. His health issues compromised his legacy. Solid man.
 
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Dart on the wall, or him posting gaining like 14 lbs of lean mass in one month?

There's not a means or product on the market that can do that other than those that f with your hormones.

The kid needs some guidance, and I'm going to root for him even though I dislike Mizzou. He gave a lot to ISU, loves ISU, f'ed up but was gracious on the way out.

Regardless of what he might have going on, he still has to own accountability for what he's done and what he does moving forward.
I think it dangerous to say a kid took those things wo documented fact. I respect and like the balance of your post.
 

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What did he say to the ref?
My understanding is that after the loss to Texas he said "we were out coached again" which was his demise. I could be wrong.
 

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