Big 12

[alarson]

Seed wise we didnt exactly underperform.

KU- 2 seed (seed expected elite 8) but no embiid.
ISU- 3 seed (seed expected sweet 16) - TBD, but Niang injury means even with a loss wouldnt be underperforming
Baylor- 6 seed (seed expected round of 32) achieved, and ceiling TBD
Texas- 7 seed (seed expected round of 32 - made round of 32 and lost to a team seed expected to reach the elite 8.
Oklahoma- Upset in first round. Underperformed.
Oklahoma State - 9 seed - by seed not expected to win first round.
Kansas State- 9 seed - by seed not expected to win first round.

When people talk about the big 12 being the best conference it isnt because we're loaded with elite teams, its because we're loaded with NCAA quality teams. Other than TCU, you cant take a break in the big 12 schedule because everyone is a top 100 team.

 

[Drive4cy]

Big 12 was overrated. Rational people could see it but not the fan boys. Hopefully Iowa State can salvage what little dignity is left in this league by advancing today. I'm already preparing myself for a Baylor letdown.

 

[cloneiac]

If Creighton wins and Clones lose I'm leaving Omaha for a week.

 

[iastate1996]

I assure you I'm a true Cyclone.

 

[clone4life82]

march madness has a lot to do with matchups.... OU should've beat NDSU, OSU and the purple kitties probably played the toughest 8 or 9 seeds in the tournament. UT made it to where they should've based on rankings, BU is still in, and KU probably would've won today had they had Embid, We have yet to play.

 

[LindenCy]

You can't say the Big 10 is overrated in football because of their performance in bowl games and in the same breath say the Big 12 isn't overrated with their performance thus far in the tournament.

If you look around the brackets, though, a lot of teams are falling. It's probably been beaten to death, but we just don't have dominant teams in the tourney this year overall. Look at the Big 10 or the ACC, etc. Teams are falling. Wisconsin didn't deserve a 2 seed, and would have lost if they weren't playing a home game yesterday. Early high seeding makes a big difference, and the Big 12 didn't get a lot of it. Lots of teams have looked poor in this tournament. It is possible the Big 12 was overrated, but I think you could say that about a lot of conferences this year.

As far as Kansas, perhaps they didn't deserve a two seed because of the injury to Embid, but with him, they are a great team. So overrated by getting a 2? Probably because of the injury.

 

[awd4cy]

The only two teams that laid eggs were OU and KU.

OSU was awful and KSU didn't not play well against a vastly overrated Kentucky team. Texas also got blasted by Michigan. The only teams not to lay an egg so far are us and Baylor.

 

[Clonehomer]

It may be a rough tourney for the big 12 but it is providing us gems like these

Um no. It was BS when Kansas fans posted Fred's son, and it's BS to post KU fans. Kids showing emotion is off limits.

 

[LindenCy]

It may be a rough tourney for the big 12 but it is providing us gems like these

Um, no. Making fun of crying children is not cool.

 

[clonedude]

KU isn't the same team without Embiid.

OU has no defense at all, and that killed them.

OSU has a lot of players that believe they can just show up and win without putting forth the effort. Bad coaching.

Texas did fine. Won their first game as expected, and then lost to a much higher seeded Michigan team.

KSU had a horrible 8-9 matchup with a really good Kentucky team that is peaking.

Baylor is still in it.

Iowa State is still in it, although now without one of their best players.

Overall, I do think the Big 12 and Big 10 were overrated though. The Big 12 was really deep, but nobody that was really dominant.

 

[acgclone]

The conference had the best RPI collectively in the country, and had some decent teams. Teams were not real dominant and pretty inconsistent throughout.

No surprises here.

The B12 is a great RPI conference every year, then it gets its a** kicked in the tourney. It happens every year. As long as we go on a deep run, I certainly could care less, but we have to face it that for some reason, B12 teams don't tend to do well in the post season.

 

[cyclones500]

Seed wise we didnt exactly underperform.

KU- 2 seed (seed expected elite 8) but no embiid.
ISU- 3 seed (seed expected sweet 16) - TBD, but Niang injury means even with a loss wouldnt be underperforming
Baylor- 6 seed (seed expected round of 32) achieved, and ceiling TBD
Texas- 7 seed (seed expected round of 32 - made round of 32 and lost to a team seed expected to reach the elite 8.
Oklahoma- Upset in first round. Underperformed.
Oklahoma State - 9 seed - by seed not expected to win first round.
Kansas State- 9 seed - by seed not expected to win first round.

When people talk about the big 12 being the best conference it isnt because we're loaded with elite teams, its because we're loaded with NCAA quality teams. Other than TCU, you cant take a break in the big 12 schedule because everyone is a top 100 team.

Good post.

It was a fairly deep, highly competitive conference with some solid out-of-conference resumes/RPI numbers, but seeding distribution wasn't exactly high. Almost would have been more likely for better tourney performance if the league got only 6 (maybe even 5) bids, with something like 2-2-4-5-6-8.

 

[Cyrocks]

I assure you I'm a true Cyclone.

Prove it. What is Coach Fred's shoe size?

 

[ArgentCy]

OSU and KSU had very tough matchups in that dreaded 8-9 game and the refs really hurt them. Short bench and calling tons of fouls. Otherwise a lot of the good shooting teams like OU and some of the young freshman just struggled which isn't totally unexpected. KU played like a team scared of their own damn shadow. ISU and Baylor both played well and so did Texas in the first game. Not a terrible showing but certainly not what it could have been.

 

[cyclones500]

KU isn't the same team without Embiid.

OU has no defense at all, and that killed them.

OSU has a lot of players that believe they can just show up and win without putting forth the effort. Bad coaching.

Texas did fine. Won their first game as expected, and then lost to a much higher seeded Michigan team.

KSU had a horrible 8-9 matchup with a really good Kentucky team that is peaking.

Baylor is still in it.

Iowa State is still in it, although now without one of their best players.

Overall, I do think the Big 12 and Big 10 were overrated though. The Big 12 was really deep, but nobody that was really dominant.

Also good post.

Great point about OSU. Oklahoma State's shot at a Final Four might have been reduced with the Cobbins injury, but it was opportunity lost not to maintain at least high-5-seed range. Then Few showed why's he's a successful tournament coach. Ford gets Big 12 Un-Coach of the Year award.

 

[Clonehomer]

I said it during the season, and it holds true again. The Big12 refs give Kansas no favors by giving them all the calls. They learn to expect calls on every drive and when they get to the tournament they can't adjust.

 

[KMAC_ATTACK]

Not over rated. Isu and ku both had significant injuries. Ok st could never put it together somehow with all their talent. Baylor still in and k st texas and ou were just really good at home IMO

Lets not forget that OSU had a significant injury to their big man Cobbins he was the key to their defense...they lost him early to season ending injury....

 

[Goothrey]

Tournament performance is really a poor indicator of conference strength. Sure it makes some superficial trash talking points, but ultimately you are wasting your time in that kind of argument. Single elimination format provides too small a sample size and coupled with a luck of the draw situation with seeding and matchups, you can't come to any meaningful conclusions about conference strength.

Ask yourself, do a couple of games completely negate what occured the entire regular season?

 

[Tedcyclone]

Big 12 was overrated. Rational people could see it but not the fan boys. Hopefully Iowa State can salvage what little dignity is left in this league by advancing today. I'm already preparing myself for a Baylor letdown.

What does overrated mean? How are you specifically determining that? What conference isn't over rated then by those standards you are setting?

 

[Wesley]

Baylor and ISU playing best at the end of the season and both still in. KU not the same after Embiid injury. They were just hoping to make it to the round of 16 to maybe get him back.

OU laid an egg, KSU had a tough matchup that no one would want, OSU just didn't live up to expectations and Texas did about as expected.

If both ISU and Baylor out today and we have nobody in the 16.... different story.

I would guess that Embiid would not have played next weekend either. Perry The Clothier Ellis and HumanHiLight Wiggins both had stinko days.