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Discussion in 'Big XII Conference' started by cyclones500, Mar 4, 2017.
Exactly. How many coaches did this for McDermott while he was at ISU??
The real comparison, at least with Kruger, will be what Prohm does next year after losing all of the seniors. OU and Kruger lost a similar amount this year. If we earn a top 4 finish again next year, with a young team, Prohm will have earned his paycheck by far.
I want to see steady improvement next year for ISU. With as young as we will be I'll say Prohm earns his paycheck by making the NCAA's.
Back to the thread I would say Texas was the most disappointing team in the conference this year and that's just fine with me.
The exception I would make for this is Kruger has been at OU for 7 years, where CSP will be at ISU for his third season, and in that time he really only had two recruiting classes. One of which he got a late jump on because how late he was hired. But if ISU finishes mid pack next season, CSP is going to be a really good coach for ISU. Because next year is the year of the drop off between CFH and him. After that things should be running smooth for CSP.
I;ll be perfectly clear with my thoughts.
We love us some Bruce Weber. He and KSU should never part ways! No way he is under performing. He consistently exceeds expectations and and is a perfect fit.
And furthermore, I am glad the KSU AD resisted any temptation to dump Weber last year just to get some unproven mid-major like Brad Underwood, just because he would have been returning to his alma mater. That was a major bullet dodged!
BTW, where is that AD now?
I don't think Shaka underperformed. I think people overrated them going into the season. I would vote Chris Beard. Tech had a lot coming back and had some good players and didn't do as well as last year.
The one thing this thread has shown to me is how good the Big 12 coaches are top to bottom in this league. When proven guys that have had a lot of success in the past in Kruger, Weber, and Smart are your "worst" coaches this season any 3 of those guys wouldn't be without a job for long if they got fired as they'd land another power 5 job in no time. Then look at the jobs that Underwood and Dixon did this year too. The league is going to be very good for awhile with this current collection of coaches.
Here's an interesting link from January: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2642950-power-ranking-every-big-12-college-basketball-head-coach-in-2016-17 Pretty sure Prohm and Underwood would not be that low if they wrote that today and Kruger and Smart sure wouldn't be 2 and 4 now.
I think you have to give Dixon a pass taking over a team that only won 2 conference games last year and went 12-21 overall and this year made them much more competitive winning 6 conference games and currently at 17-14. I think he did one of the better coaching jobs right up there with Underwood given the situation he inherited.
The more I look at the conference I think Smart and Beard did the worst jobs this year given the roster they had. Entering his 3rd year next season at Texas and with all the resources that school has, if they have another clunker like they did this season Smart's seat is going to start feeling a lot warmer. He recruited so well at VCU you'd think he could find a way to translate that into making Texas BB competitive again and by years 3 and 4 those will be his guys now. They'll probably lose Allen to the NBA draft but if you look at who their seniors are they only had 2 seniors playing meaningful minutes in the rotation in Cleare and Yancy. It's a young team and ESPN has their recruited class ranked #8 overall. I wouldn't look past Smart having a good rebound season next year given his success at VCU.
John Currie took a top 10 job at Tennessee where he earlier matriculated and later was an assistant A.D. His salary is $900,000 per, plus an additional $25,000 each year thereafter, and a $1.5 million retention bonus. I guess he prepared himself well at K-State.
As for coach Weber, I hope the Cats make "the dance" and he's retained. The program does not need another coaching change.
Shaka doesn't have his assistant that helped him wreck "havoc" at VCU, Will Wade, with him at Texas. Will Wade is now HC at VCU. Smart's teams at Texas bear no resemblance at all to his teams at VCU.
This is reminiscent of Dan Monson's success at Gonzaga when it was really his assistant Mark Few who was driving the program. Minnesota found that out.
Or Todd Lickliter given credit at Butler when it was really assistant Brad Stevens who did the work. Iowa found that out.
Or Dan Hawkins building Boise State football when it was in fact Chris Petersen who was the star on the coaching staff. Colorado found that out.
Texas is finding it out now.
To be fair how many years does it take to change the complexion of a team when the personnel don't match what you need? Not everyone can take players who have no interest in playing defense and make them serviceable or even good at it like Prohm apparently can.
Great list. Dan is the poster child though. He recently took the Cal Davis job, I see.
Texas absolutely underperformed. All that talent and they finish dead last?! I don't care that the are young. That's really bad. They also showed no improvement from January to March.
I don't think they have that much talent outside of a few guys and their best player was suspended
Shaka like Prohm is a new coach. Unlike Prohm he lost the bulk of his talent last year. He may be voted "Uncoach Of The Year" this year but don't be surprised if he kicks most teams asses next year. He's got the best in the Big 12, and one of the best in the nation, recruiting classes of 2017 ranked #7 nationally. I expect crow on the menu shortly.
You could very well be right.
But having 2 McD AA's, and winning only 10 games is currently a red flag. I was more impressed with them in Ames than in Austin, and didn't think much of the loss but since have realize they were just bad (although that really feels like it was the 'spark' for ISU because they've been fairly crisp since).
If they were NIT-bound or at least a .500ish record, I'd think more of what they've done.
Texas is a good example of how important it is this to keep the recruiting pipeline intact. You can't afford a gap year. If Shaka gets another couple players he's after he easily could have the #1 class for 2017. For now, I'll give him a pass. If he can't make the top half of Bi12 next year, two at most, then I'll call it a bust.........and so will UT.