Big 12 championship standings tiebreakers. Handy charts

[ISU_Guy]

BYU, osu and cu have games against the worst teams in the conference so they will all very likely win.

Sounds like asu is the one seed with a win regardless.

If ISU loses are we forced to see an Arizona State versus Colorado championship game or does it go to BYU?.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Kansas State at Iowa State
Oklahoma State at Colorado
Arizona State at Arizona
Houston at BYU

All the 2-loss teams are going to be favored, but that doesn’t mean they can assume a win (especially not Iowa State, lol).

Even if the favorite is 90% chance to win, there's only a 66% chance all four actually do win.

 

[ghyland7]

so.. if ISU and BYU both win, we are guaranteed to be in?

 

[bosco]

I swear I saw mRed had BYU losing puts us out.

NVM I'm an idiot.

 

[CheapClone1202]

found one scenario.

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Doesn’t add up

 

[KidSilverhair]

Even if the favorite is 90% chance to win, there's only a 66% chance all four actually do win.

I’m still gobsmacked by the fact that if it is a four-way tie … Iowa State hasn’t played any of the other three.

These conferences are too big to be manageable.

 

[Dale]

Went through mred's generator throughly, and I'm pretty confident this is the only scenario where ISU wins and doesn't get to the title game:

• Colorado over OSU; and
• ASU over Arizona; and
• Houston over BYU; and
• Texas Tech over West Virginia; and
• either TCU over Cincinnati or Kansas over Baylor

This forces a three-way tie with ISU/Colorado/ASU, where ISU finishes third if Cincinnati is behind Kansas in the final standings.

 

[KidSilverhair]

Doesn’t add up

You‘re missing the scenario where BYU loses to Houston, and then it’s just a three-way tie between ASU, Colorado, and ISU.

I missed that the first time, too.

 

[Clonedogg]

I swear I saw mRed had BYU losing puts us out.

Correct ISU and BYU win...we're in.

 

[besserheimerphat]

I’m still gobsmacked by the fact that if it is a four-way tie … Iowa State hasn’t played any of the other three.

These conferences are too big to be manageable.

10 was perfect, especially now that we have a 12 team playoff. Round Robin for everyone. If a conference has a tie, play a conference championship game 1 week after end of season. All conference champs get into the CFP. Fill out the pool with highest (computer!) ranked teams. Seed according to (computer!) rankings. Everythingelse can stay the same - bowls mid December to Jan 1, playoffs immediately follow.

 

[CySmurf]

I read on CBS earlier that if ASU beats BYU and Colorado wins out, we would go to the title game. Because the tiebreaker would be combined record of opponents. Is that not the case?

That's not the case. ISU would face ASU

 

[QBEagles]

I think in the everyone at 6-2 but BYU wins scenario:

- If Tech wins over WVU we need both Cincy over TCU and Baylor over Kansas.

- If Tech loses I think we're good.

 

[RollClones14]

I'm pretty sure this is the easiest way to phrase it

For the Big 12 title game we need to:

- Win AND a win from BYU or WVU or Cincy or Oklahoma State or Arizona

 

[Dale]

I'm pretty sure this is the easiest way to phrase it

For the Big 12 title game we need to:

- Win AND a win from BYU or WVU or Cincy or Oklahoma State or Arizona

Close, but I think it's:

Win AND a win from BYU or WVU or Oklahoma State or Arizona or both Cincy and Baylor

 

[HFCS]

I’m still gobsmacked by the fact that if it is a four-way tie … Iowa State hasn’t played any of the other three.

These conferences are too big to be manageable.

Even with much smaller conferences before divisions, I’m pretty sure I remember a four way tie for big ten in 90s.

The divisions didn’t eliminate ties, but they eliminated ties with no head to head.

I really won’t be surprised if we see divisions back and conferences just shuffle their divisions for geography and competitive balance.

 

[ForeverIowan]

If Iowa State wins, Colorado wins, and BYU wins, but Arizona State loses at Arizona, who does Iowa State play in Big 12 title game? Colorado or BYU?

 

[ISUser]

I've been playing around with mred's calculator. Here are a few key takeaways I found on the three possible scenarios with ISU being in a 3-way tie for best record. Obviously ISU must win in all of the following scenarios.

• If Colorado loses to Oklahoma St., ISU is IN. No other outcomes affect that. If it's a ASU, BYU, and ISU 3-way tie, the tie breaker will be conference opponent win %. BYU's percentage is so much lower than ISUs they can't raise it high enough regardless of how the other games play out.
  
  
• If Arizona St. loses to Arizona, ISU is IN. No other outcomes affect that. If it's a BYU, CU, and ISU 3-way tie, the tie breaker is record against common opponents and ISU beats out Colorado in this regard.
  
  
• If BYU loses it will depend on other games.
  1. If BYU loses and WV wins, ISU is IN. No other outcomes affect this.
  2. If BYU loses, and Texas Tech wins:
     
     • If Baylor wins, and Cincy also wins, ISU is IN.
     • If Baylor or Cincy lose, ISU is OUT

So the ISU fan guide in order of importance to root for:
Tier 1 (must happen):
ISU (duh)

Tier 2 (any of these teams win ISU is in with a win):
BYU
Oklahoma St.
Arizona
West Virginia

Tier 3 (please god don't let it come to this tier):
Baylor
Cincy

(The UCF/Utah result in no way affects ISU getting in.)

Let me know if anyone sees anything different!

 

[AppleCornCy]

I've been playing around with mred's calculator. Here are a few key takeaways I found on the three possible scenarios with ISU being in a 3-way tie for best record. Obviously ISU must win in all of the following scenarios.

• If Colorado loses to Oklahoma St., ISU is IN. No other outcomes affect that. If it's a ASU, BYU, and ISU 3-way tie, the tie breaker will be conference opponent win %. BYU's percentage is so much lower than ISUs they can't raise it high enough regardless of how the other games play out.
  
  
• If Arizona St. loses to Arizona, ISU is IN. No other outcomes affect that. If it's a BYU, CU, and ISU 3-way tie, the tie breaker is record against conference opponents and ISU beats out Colorado in this regard.
  
  
• If BYU loses it will depend on other games.
  1. If BYU loses and WV wins, ISU is IN. No other outcomes affect this.
  2. If BYU loses, and Texas Tech wins:
     
     • If Baylor wins, and Cincy also wins, ISU is IN.
     • If Baylor or Cincy lose, ISU is OUT

So the ISU fan guide in order of importance to root for:
Tier 1 (must happen):
ISU (duh)

Tier 2 (any of these teams win ISU is in with a win):
BYU
Oklahoma St.
Arizona
West Virginia

Tier 3 (please god don't let it come to this tier):
Baylor
Cincy

(The UCF/Utah result in no way affects ISU getting in.)

Let me know if anyone sees anything different!

I’ve had a gut feeling for a while that Oklahoma State is going to upset Colorado. Hopefully they do that on Friday and it’s all just academic.