Becoming a Blue Blood - Article

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DesertClone1

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Many posts mention how it's so difficult to recruit 5-stars vs. blue blood programs such as KU, UNC, MSU, etc. It's always nice to be reminded of how these programs became "blue bloods." As our programs continues to win and go deeper into the tournament, I can see ISU up there in blue blood land.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...great-college-basketball-coachs-legacy/page/2

Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.
 

peteypie

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For Fred it's gotta be Royce White. Even though we only made the round of 32 that year, he started the trend of transfers to ISU.

Even though we are not even close to being a blue blood right now.
 

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

All it takes to become a blue blood is one legendary coach.
 

CoKane

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

I'm sorry, but what was Duke before Coach K?
 

CyFan61

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

I think it is interesting you picked Florida.

Florida's first-ever NCAA tournament bid was in 1987.

Prior to 2000, Florida had won the SEC a total of one time.

Florida has won two national championships in its history, both in the last 10 years.

Going by your rankings, if any school is an example of the ability to break into "blue blood" territory quickly, it is Florida.

And also, since you didn't include UCLA, I'm assuming that you don't care what happened way in the past - only what happened relatively recently. Even more ability for a new school to crack into the elite range when people think that way.
 

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

you obviously dont know what youre talking about.....im not drinking the kool aid by saying this but becoming elite is one step at a time year after year in many aspects and Fred is doing all the right things.
 

benjay

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

How dare you doubt Fred Hoiberg.
 

twocoach

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

Florida and Michigan State are a NO. They are current powers no but not even close to Blue Bloods. Neither was consistently relevant in the sport before 1999. Blue Blood programs are teams that have been consistently relevant throughout the history of the sport and will never change: Kentucky, Kansas, Carolina and Duke with Indiana clinging on to the bottom of it. Some would leave them out as well.

Michigan State sits 36th on the all time win list, just behind MISSOURI and Florida isn't even in the Top 50. Iowa State starts next year just 45 wins behind Florida on the all time list. Iowa State has a wonderful opportunity to climb into that 2nd tier of teams that are current powers but there will not be any teams that ever get added to the list of Blue Bloods without rewriting the last 100+ years of history.
 

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Never say never. In 20-30 years we may have a handful of championships and regularly reel in 5* recruits. We won't be known as a blue-blood of the 20th century but could become one during the 21st century.
 

twocoach

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I'm sorry, but what was Duke before Coach K?

They were good from 1960-1980 as well. Not to the level they are now under Coach K but still had solid success. 4th on the all time win list doesn't just happen thanks to 33 years of Coach K although he is responsible for almost half of their all time wins. Duke won't pass Kentucky, Kansas and Carolina on the Blue Blood list but their run in the last 30 years is pretty amazing.
 

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Iowa State will NEVER and I repeat NEVER be a Blue Blood.
your blue Blood Programs goes as this:
Kentucky
Kansas
Duke
Indiana
Florida
Michigan State
North Carolina

Those are my top Programs. Iowa State will never sniff the greatness those programs have seen.

Interesting list, but I wonder about your criteria. Blue Bloods were not always powerful, and some that were amazingly good in the past are less so now.

Consider this: The school you left off has the most NCAA championships (including, I believe, the most consecutive)...
UCLA
11

1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1995


The rest of the schools with more than one NCAA championship:

Kentucky81948, 1949, 1951, 1958, 1978, 1996, 1998, 2012
North Carolina51957, 1982, 1993, 2005, 2009
Indiana51940, 1953, 1976, 1981, 1987
Connecticut41999, 2004, 2011, 2014
Duke41991, 1992, 2001, 2010
Louisville31980, 1986, 2013
Kansas31952, 1988, 2008
Florida22006, 2007
Michigan State21979, 2000
North Carolina State21974, 1983
Cincinnati21961, 1962
San Francisco21955, 1956
Oklahoma State21945, 1946
 

twocoach

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Never say never. In 20-30 years we may have a handful of championships and regularly reel in 5* recruits. We won't be known as a blue-blood of the 20th century but could become one during the 21st century.

There is no separating by century. You're either a Blue Blood or you aren't. Iowa State can be one of the current powers (and I think they will be if Hoiberg spends his career at ISU), yes, just as Florida, Michigan State and UConn are today but all time is all time and doesn't change.
 

CyFan61

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I think Kentucky, Kansas, UNC, UCLA, and Indiana are in the "old" blue blood group; i.e. they will always be blue blood based on what they did a long time ago, so long as they don't fall off the face of the earth and lose to the TCU's of the world consistently.

There is another tier of "newer" blue bloods that are well respected based on more recent results - Duke, Michigan State, Florida, maybe UConn or Louisville - and that is the group that Iowa State could potentially join one day. As someone mentioned, all it takes is one coach. If Fred sticks around, we might have ours.

Everything else is just semantics - you can call the second group blue blood or not, but they are what they are.
 

twocoach

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Interesting list, but I wonder about your criteria. Blue Bloods were not always powerful, and some that were amazingly good in the past are less so now.

Consider this: The school you left off has the most NCAA championships (including, I believe, the most consecutive)...
UCLA11
1964, 1965, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1995

The rest of the schools with more than one NCAA championship:

Kentucky81948, 1949, 1951, 1958, 1978, 1996, 1998, 2012
North Carolina51957, 1982, 1993, 2005, 2009
Indiana51940, 1953, 1976, 1981, 1987
Connecticut41999, 2004, 2011, 2014
Duke41991, 1992, 2001, 2010
Louisville31980, 1986, 2013
Kansas31952, 1988, 2008
Florida22006, 2007
Michigan State21979, 2000
North Carolina State21974, 1983
Cincinnati21961, 1962
San Francisco
21955, 1956
Oklahoma State21945, 1946

Outside of the Sam Gilbert titles of the Wooden era, UCLA has not been relevant in the sport at the level of the blue bloods.