Athletic's Stewart Mandel on ISU/Campbell

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  1. BigJCy

    BigJCy Well-Known Member

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    Was asked this question in his weekly mailbag column:

    What is the ceiling for Matt Campbell at Iowa State? Obviously they will never get the caliber of recruits that Texas and Oklahoma do, but am I crazy to think they can at least play in the Big 12 title game once every five years?

    Carl S.


    The modern high point for Iowa State football, sadly, was a 9-3 season in 2000 behind forever-underrated coach Dan McCarney and future NFL QB Sage Rosenfels. (Seneca Wallace, who took over the next year, was a bigger college star, but he posted consecutive 7-5 records.) Campbell has already posted the first two eight-win seasons since then, and it feels like he’s only getting started. But realistically, the Cyclones are not going to become the next Oklahoma.

    Campbell, whose program’s culture is rooted in that of his D-III powerhouse alma mater Mount Union, is essentially aiming to turn Iowa State into the Wisconsin of the Big 12. The Badgers have never boasted the same caliber of recruits as conference peers Ohio State, Michigan or Penn State, but through culture and development have managed to compete with those programs for 25 years. They’ve in fact won more Big Ten titles since 1993 (six) than either the Wolverines (five) or Nittany Lions (four).

    Now, there’s one caveat: Although Bret Bielema’s Badgers won the first two Big Ten title games in 2011 (against Michigan State) and 2012 (Nebraska), Wisconsin has lost in its past three appearances. Which happens to coincide with Urban Meyer and James Franklin elevating their East Division programs. The Big 12 does not have divisions, but it does guarantee that you have to beat the best team in the conference to win the conference. Which, if Lincoln Riley and Tom Herman do what we think they will, is going to be challenging for Campbell.

    But I see no reason why he can’t cement Iowa State as a perennial upper-half team in that conference and reach conference title games — and occasionally win one. I used the Wisconsin comparison earlier, but perhaps a more apt one would be Kansas State during Bill Snyder’s first run. His Wildcats played in the Big 12 title game three times from 1998-2003 and knocked off an absolutely loaded Oklahoma team in the last one. Just keep building.
     
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  2. Stewo

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    Improve a little more each season. That's all we can hope for.
     
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  3. Gunnerclone

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    Any talk of suiting up Michael Jacobsen this year? Boy oh boy he’d make a heck of a tight end!
     
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  4. Cycsk

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    Overall, I agree with the main point and like the comparisons, but it would have been nice for more than 1 of the 4 paragraphs to actually talk about Iowa State in detail and not just the details of the schools to which we are being compared.
     
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  5. SolarGarlic

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    The difference between 7-8 wins and 10-11 is a special QB...
     
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    You serious Clark?
     
  7. Beyerball

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    Yepper... defense and a stud QB.. you have those two things and you can go very far.
     
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  8. motorcy90

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    hopefully this year it seams like we have both for the first time in a long time. if the O-line is even average at best, I love what we could potentially do.
     
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  9. madguy30

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    Writer needs to get his ISU futility notes right. Seneca was a smooth 7-7 his senior year after ESPN dressed him up for Gameday/Heisman stuff for the game in Norman.

    I would take Wisconsin-level success for 25 years.
     
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    This will be the best defense we've probably ever had.
     
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  11. Al_4_State

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    I think a great offensive line is more important. A great O line can make an average QB look great. A great QB can’t elevate the team if they’re running for their life all the time. Seneca Wallace was a great QB whose teams, especially 2002, fell off due to subpar line play.
     
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  12. jcyclonee

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    Could be. It comes down to the corners and their's talent there.
     
  13. VeloClone

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    I hope you are right because that would be awfully high praise. Some of those defenses in the 70's were pretty damned good. I don't even know about earlier than that.
     
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  14. JM4CY

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    An entire article written about Iowa State's rise without the mention of its silent butt deadly hero of the team? Damn shame.

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  15. Aclone

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    If Will McDonald and the new corners come through big, you just might be right. But as mentioned above, those last couple Earle Bruce defenses were damn salty.
     
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    ****! It is going to be a long wait for September.
     
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    Would that begin a debate on whether or not we should be using one or two tight ends at the same time?
     
  18. MeowingCows

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    Speaking of people noticing, we showed up on r/CFBball today: the Agent of Chaos.

    direct link
     
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  19. Cyforce

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    And too many small receivers that couldn't fight thru press coverage.
     
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    I'd bet the 2005 ISU D was among the best. Oh that season of what if.
     
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