Are special teams part of the "process"?

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  1. SCarolinaCy

    SCarolinaCy Well-Known Member

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    Are special teams part of the "process"? If not, I hope it is not too late to include them.
     
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  2. GTO

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  3. MeowingCows

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    Reminder: our kick and punt coverage has been excellent, and returning has grown since the Iowa game. It's just the actual kicking that has been a recurring issue, and that seems to be personnel-related.
     
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  4. FinalFourCy

    FinalFourCy Well-Known Member

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    It’s a testament to our talent level that we’re winning without consistently winning the TO margin and ST.
     
  5. Statefan10

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    Kicking field goals is a lot like shooting free throws. It's about 90 percent mental. Kickers spend all practice doing one thing and the pressure on them is incredible. They have one job and that's it. It's a difficult task and you see guys struggling at it at every level. Look at the NFL right now.. tons of kicker issues.

    I'm not making excuses either, because it's something that absolutely needs to get cleaned up. But its definitely "part of the process".
     
  6. UNIGuy4Cy

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    Campbell changed coaches last year. Punting has been ok/average but placekicking is a disaster.
     
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  7. BWRhasnoAC

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    Yes, special teams are way down this year. I'm not sure if I'm more disappointed in the kickers, or us literally running away from trying to returns punts, let alone not even using Kene who was second in yards per return at one point in his career. All that said, we have young players, and the punter has been the pleasant surprise considering he had to take over on short notice with injury to Dunn. I think it will get there, just this year 'getting there' will only mean becoming serviceable and safe.
     
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  8. Statefan10

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    I actually think Rivera has done a tremendous job so far.
     
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  9. SCarolinaCy

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    It is my understanding that normally a team has a very few scholarships available for kicker.. You can get in trouble easily if the #1 and #2 don't work out.
     
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    We're 5-2 and 4 points away from a perfect season so far. We're doing ok.
     
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  11. CyCloned

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    Yes, it is unfortunate, and I am sure the coaches are doing everything they can to figure it out, but it isn't like they can go pick up a kicker on waiver like the pros. They just have to work on getting the guys that they have better. The kid for AZ was fairly highly rated out of HS, but he hadn't been kicking until Assalley was clear struggling, so it is safe to assume he was not impressing in practice.
     
  12. cycfan1

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    Our punt block team has been really good... we have just missed 5-7 kicks. They will get a few blocked this year if they keep up. Has been at the expense of the return.
     
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  13. FinalFourCy

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    Good ST would go a long ways towards those 4 points.

    For many programs, good special teams is the difference between 7 or 8 wins and breaking that 10 win barrier and getting a NY6 game.
     
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  14. Cloneon

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    I'm sure someone has done the analysis of a punt return in terms of...
    - percentage of holding and/or blocking in the back penalties
    - time to get down field for each position
    - getting 3 guys to pressure block the second row of blockers effectively slowing down 4 of the eleven more than trying to block them at the line
    - the hang-time/distance of the opposing kicker
    - fielding the punt mistakes
    - injuries/risk of injuries
    - clock management and controlled advance via the offense vs the risk of additional yards after the catch
    At first, I was simply 'meh' with just fair catching the punt, but after more thought, I suspect the experts have their reasoning which I'm more and more getting ok with
     
  15. delt4cy

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    2 missed field goals against Baylor is the difference between 6-1 and drivers seat to Big 12 CCG and 5-2 on the outside looking in.

    Lack of faith in kicking game changes the offensive philosophy and can wreak havoc on the "margins".
     
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    Exactly. 2 special team mistakes are the reason this team is not 7-0...
    No program outside maybe Alabama is good enough to consistently overcome special team errors.
     
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    It's a conservative coaching style. I don't doubt there's a reason for doing it, but I like a dangerous punt returner, just my own preference and until recently we've typically had one. We have been going for more blocks as of late, which is something else I like.
     
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  18. madguy30

    madguy30 Well-Known Member

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    Except things like special teams blunders have potentially been the difference.

    Missed/blocked field goals, players running into each other with 1:30 on the clock on a punt return...there were other reasons for those losses but stronger special teams at least supports the other issues.
     
  19. moores2

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    I don't think we are necessarily going for the block. I think they are trying to rush the kicker to force a bad punt. Also, with the number of penalties on the receiving teams (block in the back, holding, etc) it is almost better to not shoot yourself in the foot rather than gain 4-5 yards on a punt return.
     
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  20. Gorm

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    Last I checked we are still in the "drivers seat" albeit, with a lot less room for error.
     

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