Another hypothetical conference expansion thread

Discussion in 'Big XII Conference' started by OPButtrey, Jul 10, 2018.

  1. OPButtrey

    OPButtrey Active Member

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    I know the Big 12 is in good shape and all but....

    Let's say the networks or playoff committee or whoever decides that college football must go to a 16 team, 4 conference model and only member teams will be eligle for the playoffs. How would that play out if enough current Big 12 members decide to leave simultaneously thus voiding the GOR? In my hypothetical world:

    1. Notre Dame to ACC as full member due to current affiliation
    2. B10 takes Kansas and Oklahoma.
    3. PAC offers to guarantee Texas $ equal to LHN if they fold it into struggling PAC network. Texas accepts since B10 spots are taken and A&M doesn’t want them in SEC.
    4. TTU, KSU & OSU follow Texas to PAC to get to 16 members
    5. ACC takes WVU for geographical reasons and to restore rivalries.

    This leaves 2 spots open in the SEC with TCU, Baylor & ISU left in the B12 along with BYU, all of the mountain west, and all of the AAC .

    The SEC historically doesn’t like to take teams from a state where they already have a presence. But, I think they would make an exception by taking TCU since they belong to Dallas area while A&M are closer to Houston. Additionally, A&M doesn’t have a long history in the SEC to cast a veto and they may actually enjoy having an old Southwest member for rivalry purposes.

    That leaves 1 spot open. We can eliminate BYU and the entire Mountain West due to geography. We can also eliminate Baylor, Houston & SMU now that both A&M and TCU are members. Navy, Temple, Tulane & Tulsa just aren’t big enough players to be considered so that leaves the following schools as competition with ISU for the last spot:

    UCF
    Cincinatti
    UConn
    Memphis
    USF
    ECU

    UCF had a great season under Frost and is a large school but would Florida allow another in-state school? Unlike A&M, they have a long history with the conference and I have to believe that Florida State and/or Miami would be SEC members today if it was OK with the Gators. There was no ACC GOR keeping FSU & Miami in place when the SEC chose Missouri.

    Memphis is out since they already have both Vandy and Tennessee. I don’t think UConn offers enough to overcome the geography.

    So how does ISU stack up against ECU & Cincinatti in the eyes of the SEC? All 3 schools border a current SEC state but ISU is a State school as opposed to a city or directional school. ISU has a larger stadium and higher football attendance and our basketball program is much better than ECU’s.

    So, as crazy as it sounds… is it possible that under the right circumstances Iowa State ends up in the SEC??
     
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  2. ca4cy

    ca4cy Well-Known Member

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    IF the 4x16 "superconferences" thing happens I don't think any of the current conference names survive. It will be more like regions for March Madness, ie, East, Midwest, South, and West.
     
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  3. 1UNI2ISU

    1UNI2ISU Well-Known Member

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    Eight 8 Team Geographic Divisions that lead to an 8 team playoff.

    Baylor is the odd man out of the current 65 because the rape scandal and religious affiliation makes them the easiest to get rid of politically.

    Some adjustments in the southeast that go against pure geography so that you don't end up with one crazy super division.

    Northwest
    Washington
    Washington State
    Oregon
    Oregon State
    Stanford
    Cal
    Utah
    Colorado

    Southwest
    Arizona
    Arizona State
    USC
    UCLA
    Texas Tech
    TCU
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State

    Midwest
    Iowa
    Iowa State
    Nebraska
    Missouri
    Minnesota
    Wisconsin
    Kansas
    Kansas State

    South
    Texas
    Texas A&M
    LSU
    Arkansas
    Ole Miss
    Mississippi State
    Vanderbilt
    Tennessee

    Mideast
    Indiana
    Purdue
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    Ohio State
    Illinois
    Northwestern
    Kentucky

    Southeast

    Miami
    Florida
    Florida State
    Georgia
    North Carolina
    North Carolina State
    Duke
    Wake Forest


    Mid-South
    Alabama
    Auburn
    Clemson
    South Carolina
    Virginia
    Virginia Tech
    Kentucky
    Georgia Tech

    Northeast
    Notre Dame
    Syracuse
    Boston College
    Rutgers
    Pittsburgh
    Penn State
    Maryland
    Louisville


    This will never happen in a million years but it makes the most sense.
     
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  4. ca4cy

    ca4cy Well-Known Member

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    This would be great. Unfortunately your last line sums it up very well. It makes a lot of sense and brings back regional rivalries....therefore it has no chance of ever happening.
     
  5. scyclonekid

    scyclonekid Well-Known Member

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    Iowa State will be included, so whatever conference we’re in great.
     
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  6. NetflixAndClone

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    Another expansion thread. Drink!
     
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  7. legi

    legi Active Member

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    West Virginia?
     
  8. theshadow

    theshadow Well-Known Member

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    Kentucky gets to play in the Mideast and the Mid-South.
     
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  9. Gonzo

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    There's no way anyone is going to throw away decades upon decades of the branding and brand equity that's been built up in many of these conference names. Just like the biggest bowl games didn't give up their names or identity when they essentially became CFP semi-finals.
     
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  10. isuno1fan

    isuno1fan Well-Known Member

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    Stop the insanity.
     
  11. isucy86

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    #11 isucy86, Jul 10, 2018
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    IMO the driving force to realignment will be the college playoff structure. At some time in the next 3 years the P5 conferences need to determine do they stay at 4 or bump playoff to 8 or 16 teams.

    I also think at some point AD's at blue blood schools will come to the conclusion it is easier to get to the playoff when the conference/division is around 10 teams vs 14 or 16.

    Plus it cleaner if the politics are removed and all conference/division champs earn a playoff berth on the field vs. in the boardroom.

    IMO an 11 team conference ia the ideal size. Play 10 division games and 2 non-division games. This would allow rivalries like ISU v Iowa or Ga v GTech to continue and teams play a round robin schedule.
     
  12. ca4cy

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    Meh. They'll have stripped away most of the conference identities at that point anyway.
     
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  13. harimad

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    Mountain mama?
     
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  14. 1UNI2ISU

    1UNI2ISU Well-Known Member

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    My bad.

    Put West Virginia in the Mideast.
     
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  15. Ace000087

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    This is what I'd like to see.

    Kansas - SEC (Mizzou main rivalry)
    TCU - SEC (A&M ok with them vs Texas)

    Iowa State - B1G (best fit for ISU)
    Kansas State - B1G (Nebraska rivalry)

    Texas - PAC16 (UT gets desired academics +)
    Texas Tech - PAC16 (following UT)
    Oklahoma - PAC16 (following UT)
    Oklahoma State - PAC16 (following OU)

    West Virginia - ACC (Notre Dame joins too)
    Baylor - AAC (Rape scandal fallout, SMU rival)

    The end of realignment.
     
  16. JM4CY

    JM4CY Well-Known Member

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    Take me home...
     
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  17. TXCyclones

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    Take me home?
     
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  18. Cyhops

    Cyhops Active Member

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    Got tired of the uniform thread huh?
     
  19. CNECloneFan

    CNECloneFan Well-Known Member

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    I would LOVE this.

    But you are right - it makes too much sense.
     
  20. Ace000087

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    #20 Ace000087, Jul 13, 2018
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    ACC Atlantic:
    Boston College
    Clemson
    Florida State
    Louisville
    North Carolina State
    Notre Dame
    Syracuse
    Wake Forest

    ACC Coastal:
    Duke
    Georgia Tech
    Miami
    North Carolina
    Pittsburgh
    Virginia
    Virginia Tech
    West Virginia

    SEC East:
    Alabama
    Auburn
    Florida
    Georgia
    Kentucky
    South Carolina
    Tennessee
    Vanderbilt

    SEC West:
    Arkansas
    Kansas
    Louisiana State
    Missouri
    Mississippi
    Mississippi State
    Texas A&M
    Texas Christian

    B1G East:
    Indiana
    Maryland
    Michigan
    Michigan State
    Ohio State
    Pennsylvania State
    Purdue
    Rutgers

    B1G West:
    Illinois
    Iowa
    Iowa State
    Kansas State
    Minnesota
    Nebraska
    Northwestern
    Wisconsin

    PAC16 East:
    Arizona
    Arizona State
    Colorado
    Oklahoma
    Oklahoma State
    Texas
    Texas Tech
    Utah

    PAC16 West:
    California
    Oregon
    Oregon State
    Stanford
    UCLA
    USC
    Washington
    Washington State


    The winner of each conference championship game goes to the 4 play off spots regardless of record.

    Baylor goes to the AAC.
     

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