This was a similar case when we had Brett Meyer and Seneca. We made it work than, why not know, I know the athletetisim is probably part of the reason.
A True Playmaking QB???
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The biggest difference between Steele and David Ash is that Ash has been getting pass protection all year, and has NFL receivers to throw to.
QB play is an issue but just one piece of the puzzle.
Name one even remotely consistent playmaking receiver on our roster this year (or the last 5 for that matter).
Don't worry, I'll wait...
Name one even remotely consistent playmaking receiver on our roster this year (or the last 5 for that matter).
Don't worry, I'll wait...
Unfortunately, some people simply seem to feel a need to play the blame game, rather than recognizing a team effort. Or admitting that things are improved, and will continue to be.
Well, okay, I can't say that for sure about the WR's--but I like youngsters like Bundrage, Daley and West. :wink:
I look at the Denver Broncos though as a case against our QB issues. That set of receivers in 2011 looked sad. They look just fine in 2012 but that's a bit unfair as Manning is a future HOF QB.
Agree. However, according to some on this board Steele Jantz is single handily responsible for everything from the Great Chicago Fire, to the rise of Third Reich to the kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby. To name just a few.
It's disgusting actually. I realize it comes with the territory of playing QB, but it still bothers me to see kids bashed so unmercifully by some fans.
I have seen few say Jantz is the only problem. Mess, Jantz, WR, OL in that order.
Got to stick with Jantz the next 2 games. Don't think anyone else can put up enough points to beat Geno Smith.
Next year I hope someone separates themselves from the group. I doubt Barnett does in camp. So of the 4 kids I hope one is better than the other 3 because I expect JB to be the backup/short term 2nd option.
If noone emerges the thought of 3 or 4 guys fighting for the job against UNI is scary.
Next year I hope someone separates themselves from the group. I doubt Barnett does in camp. So of the 4 kids I hope one is better than the other 3 because I expect JB to be the backup/short term 2nd option.
If noone emerges the thought of 3 or 4 guys fighting for the job against UNI is scary.
Thanks for explaining. I've always wondered what coaches philosophies on scrambling are. I've always heard that lineman are trained to get to the QB in three seconds. To me that means a quarterback should have his mental clock on and get out of the pocket at the three second mark.
I'm not sure Walsh would be as good at ISU as his is at OSU. The reason is Gundy, he really knows how to coach QBs. We do not have anyone anywhere close to as good as him at understanding and developing the position.
If ther is no change here the next two games, as in improvement, I would love to see Mess get demoted and get a new OC and QB coach.... I agree the play calling and WR play are a big part of these problems, too.....
I went back and watched a couple games. JB has flashes of greatness, but it's just not consistent. Take for example the Kansas St. game. He was making things happen with his feet, and his passes were "good enough" on short out routes, etc. when it was not a must-pass situation. The problem is when he's in a situation where he must pass; tight 1-on-1 coverage leads to those bizarre passes to nowhere (in the dirt or 5 feet over the WR's head).
Maybe Barnett can develop more in that area? He is only a sophomore...
Maybe Barnett can develop more in that area? He is only a sophomore...
He must be an amazing coach to turn those 4 star QBs into good QBs.
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David Ash isn't that great, but you are dreaming if you think Steele is that good. Steele has missed so many easy throws this year that it makes me want to puke. I actually think JB is better at hitting recievers >15 yards out, despite the fact that JB's arm isn't as strong.
And if you guys don't understand how a good QB can make an o-line look better (and a bad qb can make them look worse), you haven't watched very much football.
I do NOT think that Jantz is universally responsible. I have said many times that the dropped passes by our wide-outs have been aweful. But that doesn't mean that Steele can't be playing aweful as well.
I do think people have been way too hard on the O-line though. I think the pass blocking has been good enough and the run game has been good if you consider the fact that the defenses play the run, because they know we can't beat them with the pass.
I do think people have been way too hard on the O-line though. I think the pass blocking has been good enough and the run game has been good if you consider the fact that the defenses play the run, because they know we can't beat them with the pass.
