9 injuries?

[justcynn]

I don't know what is normal but I think going into the year we knew we were going to be thin. Especially thin on defense which I put on the Burnhams especially the d line and lb's. Plenty of recruiting misses and misjudged characters.

Year 6 with no depth whatsoever is a program issue. Recruiting is a program issue but this has always been and likely will always be. 9 injuries is what they quoted on tv. 9 out of 22-30? that were supposed to contribute. Next man in right? I don't think its that simple. Blame the coaches for the lack of depth in year 6 but ease up on the players that are out there trying to fill lots of holes vacated by guys that worked really hard to contribute but had their hard work end in injury.

I think its funny how quickly we go from Wally the wizard to Wally needs to become a Wally World greeter on this board but something isn't right there. We don't have anything close to Big 12 size or depth in the front 7. Defensive backfield is good though.

The offense will improve under mangino. 2nd string qb with a line that struggles to protect at times. Give the qb some time and the pass game is going be the best in ISU history.

Rhoads may not be able to get it done here but remember that Iowa will go to a bowl game and Iowa state beat them. We were competitive with k state, etc. we aren't that far off, but it will take some better recruiting to regain the momentum and that will be hard with all the losing

 

[kentkel]

I hear what you are saying. However, year in and year out this is a constant theme -- multiple injuries decimate our "experienced" roster & we are young, wait until next year and, oh boy, now we will have 8-10 linemen with Big XII experience and it will be our strength. Then, the next year comes and the same thing happens again. At some point this is not "bad luck" it is because of a deeper issue. Those who are preparing these players for the Big XII rigors are obviously NOT doing their job correctly / adequately. If that is strength and conditioning - then fire him and set aside BIG BUCKS to get someone who can cut down these rash of injuries through proper training. Ultimately however, Rhoads is responsible for the team & if he isn't gone, there better be wholesale changes to fix this train wreck. We just got it handed to us by freekin' Kansas --- by 20 POINTS!!!!!

 

[Stormin]

I hear what you are saying. However, year in and year out this is a constant theme -- multiple injuries decimate our "experienced" roster & we are young, wait until next year and, oh boy, now we will have 8-10 linemen with Big XII experience and it will be our strength. Then, the next year comes and the same thing happens again. At some point this is not "bad luck" it is because of a deeper issue. Those who are preparing these players for the Big XII rigors are obviously NOT doing their job correctly / adequately. If that is strength and conditioning - then fire him and set aside BIG BUCKS to get someone who can cut down these rash of injuries through proper training. Ultimately however, Rhoads is responsible for the team & if he isn't gone, there better be wholesale changes to fix this train wreck. We just got it handed to us by freekin' Kansas --- by 20 POINTS!!!!!

That is about the same number of points that West Virginia got beat by Kansas last year. The following week West Virginia blew a big lead and lost in Triple Overtime to Iowa State. Did Dana Holgerson get fired?

I can think of over 5.3 million reasons that Rhoads will not get fired. That amount is payable in full 60 days after termination.

 

[SpokaneCY]

Wally has had 1 top 40 defense in his tenure where we gave up lots of yards but tightened up inside the 20s. Top half of the B12 even. This is not a 1 year aberration and more and more people were saying the emperor had no clothes. Which is a weird metaphor for a 70 year old man. Won't be able to get THAT mental image outta my head...

Kids have all sacrificed to be here. Never bagging on the kids but the program is bad.

 

[DuckDynastyCy]

It is time for Wally and Shane to go-this week. We need 2 young, energetic recruiters with passion for ISU to be the DC/LB Coach and a DL coach with Deep South ties to bring some Beef into the ISU DL so we might as well start the search this week IMO. I wouldn't even be opposed to finding an ex ISU player to be a recruiting coordinator in TX/LA and another in FL/GA full time. Two guys with another $100-150k could do some great things for us down South. Do this, sit CPR down after the season and make it clear what the expectations are next year and move forward.

 

[awd4cy]

Our injuries haven't been that bad this year. It just looks so magnified when you are so thin with depth.

 

[LindenCy]

Didn't we have a lot of injuries last year? And don't injuries happen more easily when players miss assignments and people are left to take big hits? Not that either of these necessarily come into play for us, but injuries aren't always just bad luck.

 

[dualthreat]

Im reading an excellent book right now about the rise of the stanford football program under jim harbaugh. When he took over, the new S&C coach had a injury prevention first approach to off season training. The previous S&C coach put a high emphasis on pushing a lot of weight in the gym (like yancy?? I immediately thought of him as I read it) and they were having a TON of injuries. The players who were benching 400+ pounds were angry when the new coach said they weren't going to do that type of training anymore.

Although i certainly won't evaluate an entire S&C program based off of comments or uncorrelated evidence, etc.

 

[CycloneErik]

Im reading an excellent book right now about the rise of the stanford football program under jim harbaugh. When he took over, the new S&C coach had a injury prevention first approach to off season training. The previous S&C coach put a high emphasis on pushing a lot of weight in the gym (like yancy?? I immediately thought of him as I read it) and they were having a TON of injuries. The players who were benching 400+ pounds were angry when the new coach said they weren't going to do that type of training anymore.

Although i certainly won't evaluate an entire S&C program based off of comments or uncorrelated evidence, etc.

What's the book? I'm about a week away from some time for fun reading, and this sounds interesting.

 

[dualthreat]

What's the book? I'm about a week away from some time for fun reading, and this sounds interesting.

Rags to Roses

 

[iowastatefan1929]

Rags to Roses

yes I have been convinced for a few years now the problem is s and c. I know it is a very unpopular opinion around here but I have proof!

James White RB. Look back to how fast he was his Sophmore year.
He got slower his Junior year and by his Senior year he was miserable and ran like he had something in his bum! Do I blame him no! Even Wimberly is a 1/2 step slower this year.

We are so slow every where and the entire team was specifically recruited for speed.

Rhoads goal was to be faster than everyone; but instead he supposedly brought in speed and then tried to bulk them up. Weird.

Rhoads is clueless sorry folks.

I do think he can repent of his sins and turn this thing around. Maybe this is the year to finally wake him him to figure his crap out!

Mangino says it is a simple game!

Our OLINE has no push. Our DLINK gets pushed back.

We are bad bad. It is most definetly without a doubt on the shoulders of Rhoads. He is nothing but a CEO coach who unfortunately does not know what he is doing.

Here is another telling tid bit. The RB coach said in August that Rhoads specifically told him to focus his RBacks on big plays! Really! Why don't we start with getting 4 yards consistently. Wow rhoads you are clueless. Get a clue and we will back you again.

 

[cyclonebillski]

yes I have been convinced for a few years now the problem is s and c. I know it is a very unpopular opinion around here but I have proof!

James White RB. Look back to how fast he was his Sophmore year.
He got slower his Junior year and by his Senior year he was miserable and ran like he had something in his bum! Do I blame him no! Even Wimberly is a 1/2 step slower this year.

We are so slow every where and the entire team was specifically recruited for speed.

Rhoads goal was to be faster than everyone; but instead he supposedly brought in speed and then tried to bulk them up. Weird.

Rhoads is clueless sorry folks.

I do think he can repent of his sins and turn this thing around. Maybe this is the year to finally wake him him to figure his crap out!

Mangino says it is a simple game!

Our OLINE has no push. Our DLINK gets pushed back.

We are bad bad. It is most definetly without a doubt on the shoulders of Rhoads. He is nothing but a CEO coach who unfortunately does not know what he is doing.

Here is another telling tid bit. The RB coach said in August that Rhoads specifically told him to focus his RBacks on big plays! Really! Why don't we start with getting 4 yards consistently. Wow rhoads you are clueless. Get a clue and we will back you again.

No...no. Yancys plan is to make these kids more explosive and faster, not just put weight on them. I don't think Wimberly is any slower, he just rarely has room to run. You can't complain about guys getting slower and adding muscle and then have people also complain about innjuries because that is traditionally done to prevent injury. I think our s&c is built for speed and explosiveness, that's why our knees suck. That is the very uneducated extent on my S&C knowledge.

 

[cycloneworld]

We'll have major injuries EVERY SINGLE YEAR, its part of the game. Every team has them.

Look at Baylor. They've had multiple running backs, receivers, line backers, and eve Petty missed a few games all hurt this year. That doesn't derail their season.

 

[State43]

Our injuries haven't been that bad this year. It just looks so magnified when you are so thin with depth.

Just injuries maybe, but at DL when you factor Coe and Irving + injuries, it's a problem there. And lets face it, Ferch, Knott, miller and Brackens are not good enough to deal with that gaping hole. Not having an elite linebacker in the bunch really hurts that defense also.

 

[Clonefan32]

Every team has injuries. People act as though this only happens to us. It's a violent game and you have to account for people getting hurt. Our problem is if one of our main players go out, we don't have a viable Plan B. Case in point-- Seeley on Saturday. He looked lost. Maybe he will turn out to be a serviceable player, but the staff HAS to have second stringers that can be ready to go.

 

[Wesley]

That is about the same number of points that West Virginia got beat by Kansas last year. The following week West Virginia blew a big lead and lost in Triple Overtime to Iowa State. Did Dana Holgerson get fired?

I can think of over 5.3 million reasons that Rhoads will not get fired. That amount is payable in full 60 days after termination.

Maybe we can switch coaches. He looks like he has recruited well recently.

 

[kentkel]

That is about the same number of points that West Virginia got beat by Kansas last year. The following week West Virginia blew a big lead and lost in Triple Overtime to Iowa State. Did Dana Holgerson get fired?

I can think of over 5.3 million reasons that Rhoads will not get fired. That amount is payable in full 60 days after termination.

The thing is: he had a 10-3 record in 2011 and totally annihilated Clemson in the bowl game that year. The next year, the team had a much more difficult schedule (the Big XII gauntlet) and he went 7-6. Last year, he had some head-scratchers and was 4-8. However, they were very competitive against Oklahoma and beat Okie State. Like ISU, last year, both retained the HC but there were personnel changes made. What have we seen this year? Offense is still extremely inconsistent and defense is absolutely abysmal. WVU? Their offense last year was adequate, but their defense was pretty bad! They made changes on that side of the ball & they have seen improvements this year. Finally, they are competitive in their games this year, even in their losses -- we have had way too many games where we've "given up" or failed to even come out with a competitive mentality (and this has been true for at least a couple years now)!

I was at the game on Saturday - that was an EMBARRASSING first 27 minutes, and a below average last 20 minutes of football! I'm only glad that the KU fans I met were gracious - they had every right to drive the knife in and turn it.