8 Year extension for Campbell

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Ya maybe without all the injuries but you're always going to have some every year. ASU completely outclassed us and it wasn't just some waterfall effect. They dominated us and barring them running the table and surprising everyone, I can't believe we would match up better against Ohio State or Notre Dame. Especially on the lines. I'm not trying to drag this team, they were very good and yes they could have been incredible without all the injuries but I would be lying if I said they were anywhere near elite. I guess you could argue it was just ISU out of gas because of the injuries but we didn't put teams away this year they way we should have. Teams that had no business beating us or competing with us. Maybe we have the talent level but we're just not good enough in the chess match from the press box every game? I think if we could get a Troy Davis right now we would be a legit contender but can we ever afford someone like that in this day and age without hitting the transfer lottery like ASU with Skattebo?

To be clear I'm not trying to be negative I'm just trying to be honest about where we are and how much further we can realistically grow.
I guess I disagree with you on ASU outclassing us with the obvious exception of Skattebo. We were Beau Freyler making a bad decision on a 4th and 1 (no one watching on TV or in the stadium was expecting ASU to take a deep shot so I don’t really blame him all that much) and a brutal missed PI away from that first half looking extremely different. Then the third quarter was probably the worst quarter of ISU football in my lifetime with three turnovers setting ASU up with three short fields for TD’s, which to their credit, they capitalized on. But I don’t think there was some massive talent gap between the two teams (again besides Skattebo).

We had very similar results against common opponents this season, with the exception of them beating Kansas and us not, and us beating Cincy who beat them.

The Notre Dame bowl game was much more of an outclassing IMO
 

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I guess I disagree with you on ASU outclassing us with the obvious exception of Skattebo. We were Beau Freyler making a bad decision on a 4th and 1 (no one watching on TV or in the stadium was expecting ASU to take a deep shot so I don’t really blame him all that much) and a brutal missed PI away from that first half looking extremely different. Then the third quarter was probably the worst quarter of ISU football in my lifetime with three turnovers setting ASU up with three short fields for TD’s, which to their credit, they capitalized on. But I don’t think there was some massive talent gap between the two teams (again besides Skattebo).

We had very similar results against common opponents this season, with the exception of them beating Kansas and us not, and us beating Cincy who beat them.

The Notre Dame bowl game was much more of an outclassing IMO
We couldn't tackle them, we whiffed their QB multiple times, their receivers were torching us, they hit us harder and forced turn overs. It was a massive ass beating. I never once thought we might win after the first quarter. I even made a point to my father during the game that we don't normally get worked under Campbell but that team was bigger, faster and meaner.
 

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Coaching rankings - last 55 years
1. Campbell
2. Bruce
3. Majors
4. Tie between Duncan and McCarney
6. Rhoads
7. Criner
8. Walden
9. Chizik

Duncan was underrated IMO.

No. Duncan was a terrible coach. Below Rhoads. Duncan followed Earle Bruce. We had just completed our third straight season of 8-3 record. We had redshirted the entire recruiting class. Duncan was not a good coach. He underachieved with Dwayne Crutchfield and when the talent Bruce had accumulated left then Duncan left abruptly. And we got Criner.
 

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...and yet us fans as a collective ran McCarney out of town because that simply wasn't good enough anymore.

And while I don't think Campbell is anywhere close to being run out of town at this point (nor should he be), I think there would be a lot more disgruntled fans after this season if it wasn't a 10-win season... especially after starting 7-0, despite the number of injuries sustained to the defense.

Mac was asked to resign in 2006. We lost our last 10 games of 2003. We finished 2-10. The offense couldn’t score. Meyer and Blythe redshirted as freshmen. 2004 was decent rebound and 2005 was a veteran team with the soft schedule that Mac should have made the CCG. The fan base was decimated. 2006 did not go well. When Mac resigned we were winless in Big 12. Recruiting was dismal. The 2003 disaster was looking to be our future. We won the finale against Mizzou his last game. The Chizik hire gave us hope. But he bolted as soon as he could. Which led us to Rhoads which led us to Campbell.

Mac was a great coach. But he did need to resign. And he did. Because he loved Iowa State. Love Mac.
 

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I guess I disagree with you on ASU outclassing us with the obvious exception of Skattebo. We were Beau Freyler making a bad decision on a 4th and 1 (no one watching on TV or in the stadium was expecting ASU to take a deep shot so I don’t really blame him all that much) and a brutal missed PI away from that first half looking extremely different.
Sorry, but no. We had shown ZERO ability to stop them before the Freyler play. FG, TD. Leavitt was giving us fits with his ability to throw and run. The only thing those plays do is keep it closer... it was Kansas. Where its either 45-36 or as it was, That was a awful matchup for our defense in the state of the game that it was.

You're also assuming in your scenario we score on both of those drives. Whose to say, hypothetically, we don't miss a FG cause we have a holding penalty after the 4th down stop or we fumble or throw a pick 6, like at Utah following the PI?

This idea that 1-2 calls magically causes everything else to go well for the rest of the game is fun as a fan, granted, but not rooted in reality. We had scored on them before like we might have done with the PI call, they went right down the field and answered. We stopped them in the 2nd half, we went 3 and out , they went right down the field and scored. Not to mention in that scenario, if 2 calls go our way, whose to say a couple things they probably would say could have helped them don't always go differently? Maybe one of those batted passes gets picked off in the first half? The what if game is fun but very rarely in my experiences is it ever valid when one team is very clearly on that given day just ahead of you at the races, which is what they were and credit to them. I don't think they are that much better if we played them 10 times, I think we probably win four times out of 10, and if we were healthy, its a push. But on that given day, yeah, at no point watching that game did I believe the outcome would be different because no matter what happens there's one thing you have to remember... 4th down stop and we score, its a 1 score game. PI call, its a tie game...

and Mr. Skattebo is coming back onto the field. We, like 99% of the teams they played, had zero answers for that dude. That's why I say those 2 plays don't entirely matter. Cause we didn't have the personnel available on Saturday to make it matter when he's lurking on the SL. That's what makes players like that special.

Against Texas Tech where it ends up being a 1 point game? Yes. A blown call or 1-2 mistakes make a difference. But where as one team shows you multiple, multiple times you have no answers defensively - I'm sorry, but not.

They beat our a**. I don't see either play as game changing. The ONLY scenario where I see the outcome being different is the 3 and out after the stop. We at least manage to run out the clock, get to half, and then get the ball back without a turnover, its a one score game and our defense is off the field for 5-10 minutes of game time, closer to 30-40 minutes of real time. In that scenario, MAYBE we can derail the train. And that's a big maybe. But that's the only scenario because of the rest it allows the defense and breaking of rhythm potentially of their offense. Otherwise, no, those calls maybe make the scoreboard closer, but I have zero belief even if we scored on either to tie the game that they don't go right back down and score again. They'd done that exact thing on their 1st and 2nd drive and most of their drives.

that's a bad matchup. I tried saying it was a bad take on the pre-game podcast regarding the matchup and Leavitt in particular. That was the one team in the Big 12 that I think, IMO, is a truly awful matchup this year. Because they are what K-State wishes it was. A good defensive team with a QB who can throw it deep accurately who can also run with a powerful ground game.
 

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A lot of people are missing the fact that besides Cam Skattebo the Sun Devils have Sam Leavitt. Big 12 Conference second team all Big 12 QB. Better than Rocco.
 
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Wow, sick burn Nitro! I can’t wait until 50% of posts on this site are just stuff exactly like this…oh wait.

Prediction that you continue with idiotic posts while making no contributions thinking that your ******** is beneficial to our programs.
 

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I’ve argued with KState fans about this before. What Bill achieved there is incredible. Taking them from the dumpster to the heights he took them is no small feat. He revolutionized the JUCO and walk on loopholes.

As said above, he did win some conference/division titles but it took some time. He was also in the historically weak XII North (similar to Ferentz in the B1G West). For comparison, Matt spent the first 90% of his tenure in the round robin XII.

I think we as Cyclones may have an inflated view of Bill for a few reasons:
- He had our number. The vampire owned us
- Allegedly he wanted to coach here, but we didn’t hire him
- The “if it can be done there, why not here?” sentiment

We should admire him for his longevity. We’d trade places with KState over the past 30 years in a heartbeat. All those NFL guys, the 11 wins seasons, you name it. But College Football was a different sport then compared to 2024.
 

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When should we know the details of the extension?
 

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Duh!
That's fine, but I will always reject this mentality. I GET why Cyclone fans have this over the years. I really, really do.

"Just happy to be there" and being fine getting smoked by name brands like Notre Dame or even getting whacked by non powerhouses like ASU & Memphis. Idk...it will just always bug me. Beating Oregon in Fiesta Bowl was great. If we can beat Miami in Orlando that will really help imo. I don't expect CFBP or National titles.

But just getting there and losing because we're "punching above our weight" just reeks of I'm okay with just being good enough, but not great. I do want Iowa State to win and beat elites and beat good non-powerhouses in trophy situations. I don't expect us to be Nick Saban Alabama obvs, but we need to start racking up more trophies (Big XII & Bowl.)
Again, “a little more forgiving”, I am disappointed in all the bowl losses but really only pissed about last year. I want to win those games too, hell I’ve taken my family to some of them. I’m just not in the camp that says Campbell doesn’t care about these games, teams aren’t prepared, and all the other criticism.

i expect to win these games, but I also remember watching ND come out of the tunnel and saying out loud “oh, $#!+”…they were huge, men vs. boys that day.
 
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Again, “a little more forgiving”, I am disappointed in all the bowl losses but really only pissed about last year. I want to win those games too, hell I’ve taken my family to some of them. I’m just not in the camp that says Campbell doesn’t care about these games, teams aren’t prepared, and all the other criticism.

i expect to win these games, but I also remember watching ND come out of the tunnel and saying out loud “oh, $#!+”…they were huge, men vs. boys that day.

Would I rather the team go 10-2 or win a bowl game? 10-2.

I hope they win this one but it’s not going to dampen my feelings about the season.
 

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Would I rather the team go 10-2 or win a bowl game? 10-2.

I hope they win this one but it’s not going to dampen my feelings about the season.
So, that's hard for me to answer just in a vaccum.

If we lose to Miami, it means we were under .500 in our last 7 games (3-4) and didn't finish well. That'd be disappointing. However, if we beat Miami, it means we went 4-3, responded well from the disappointment and ended on a high note.

Context to me, matters. Similarly, if you say, you'll go 10-2 but lose a bowl game with a veteran team.... but in a year where you are really young, you're going 8-5 but win the bowl game with a majority of underclassmen... I'd take the 8-5 season because again, momentum matters.


That's like asking someone do you want a million dollars (pre tax, pre everything) or 5K a week the rest of your life, but tax free. Sure, the 5k a week sounds great, especially since you'd hope you'd have a long life. But if you're someone with a terminal illness, etc...

my point is simply this. Context always matters.

Or if you start, 1-4, but then win 8 in a row counting a bowl, you are feeling really good at the end of the season.

If you start 8-1, but finish the 9-5.. again, you're probably feeling a little wishful about the end of the year.


Same record, but two very different emotions and feelings at the end of the season. Once time is removed its easier to say both were good years, but leading into the off season? You'd have two very different emotions
 

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