2022 Football post mortem/looking forward

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It would actually look better (at least for the Campbell-stans) if STs were just winging it. If STs have been this bad for this long and are actually being coached, that means the coaching is bad. Very, very bad.

For example, who can forget the abominable ending to the 2019 Iowa game?

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Just because it isn't in their individual bios doesn't mean we don't have a coach assigned to certain ST units.
Coaches are assigned to special teams units and like I mentioned to you before, do you have a part time job on top of your full time job? Of course you don’t. And if you did, would you put as much effort into it as your full time job? No.

We need a special teams coordinator if we ever want to be good at special teams.
 

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Coaches are assigned to special teams units and like I mentioned to you before, do you have a part time job on top of your full time job? Of course you don’t. And if you did, would you put as much effort into it as your full time job? No.

We need a special teams coordinator if we ever want to be good at special teams.
Read the last page. Very few teams have a coach only do special teams.
 

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Coaches are assigned to special teams units and like I mentioned to you before, do you have a part time job on top of your full time job? Of course you don’t. And if you did, would you put as much effort into it as your full time job? No.

We need a special teams coordinator if we ever want to be good at special teams.
Curt had a part time job, as an accountant. His full time racing job gives him time to do it.
 
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so we are a few days after the season. No announcement yet on any assistant coaching changes on the offensive side of the football. If there is not some changes made, i will be very discouraged. I don't know, maybe to early.
 
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Coaches are assigned to special teams units and like I mentioned to you before, do you have a part time job on top of your full time job? Of course you don’t. And if you did, would you put as much effort into it as your full time job? No.

We need a special teams coordinator if we ever want to be good at special teams.

Make sure you let Michigan, Bama, Tenn, Clemson, UGA, USC, etc. know that you know more than they do about what they need.


Your analogy is off base because their job is to be a coach for the ISU Football Team, whether that is to coach 1 position, 2 positions or whatever that is their job.

A better analogy would be - I am a CPA at a CPA firm, I work in the tax department but I also am told to do consulting and attestation engagements. Multiple roles under 1 job.


And to answer your question - Yes I put considerably more time into my 2nd job (racing) than I do in my main job (CPA). So once again it's a bad analogy.
 
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so we are a few days after the season. No announcement yet on any assistant coaching changes on the offensive side of the football. If there is not some changes made, i will be very discouraged. I don't know, maybe to early.

There have been many excellent times to make changes in recent memory:
  • After the disappointing 2021 season
  • After the disappointing Baylor game
  • After the disappointing Kansas game
  • After the disappointing KSU game
  • After the disappointing Texas game
  • After the disappointing OU game
  • After the disappointing OSU game
  • After the disappointing Texas Tech game
But who know, maybe there will be bigly changes tomorrow!!
 

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There have been many excellent times to make changes in recent memory:
  • After the disappointing 2021 season
  • After the disappointing Baylor game
  • After the disappointing Kansas game
  • After the disappointing KSU game
  • After the disappointing Texas game
  • After the disappointing OU game
  • After the disappointing OSU game
  • After the disappointing Texas Tech game
But who know, maybe there will be bigly changes tomorrow!!
After the Baylor game? Congrats on winning dumb post of the day on the internet.
 
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Coaches are assigned to special teams units and like I mentioned to you before, do you have a part time job on top of your full time job? Of course you don’t. And if you did, would you put as much effort into it as your full time job? No.

We need a special teams coordinator if we ever want to be good at special teams.
OK, everybody that keeps claiming we need a dedicated ST coach or coordinator, you need to think through the process of a practice.

All of your ST players other than K, P, LS and possibly holder are either on the offense or defense 2-deep, and if they are not they are doing scout stuff for the offense and defense. Meanwhile the K, P, LS and H are off on their own for most of practice getting reps. What do you want a ST coach to do? Stand there and watch the K, P and LS? Because the chances he has some magical trick to see and fix a mechanics issue is fairly small. Most of these kickers have been to camps and things with actual experts in kicking, which typically ST coaches are not.

So you want a guy to watch ST film, scout, gameplan and scheme for ST? That's exactly what Bonamego does, and his credentials suggest he should at the very least be competent in those areas.

In the biggest areas of blunders that coaching can help - kick coverage and punt blocking, those have pretty much been terrible lane integrity or poor pickups by the punt protection group. I assure you that no coach's plan/scheme at any level of football ever was what we saw in the Louisiana game, which was to have 4 or 5 guys with first day of junior high practice lane integrity.

The bottom line is a vast majority of our ST problems have come down to stuff that a better, smarter, dedicated coach is going to probably have a tough time fixing without a change to get more ST reps. Unless they cut into offense/defense time to get players more reps on special teams, those things aren't changing. You're probably not going to coach a kicker out of missing kicks. You aren't going to scheme your way to better coverage or punt protection without reps.

As Campbell says, you can't minor in what ISU does defensively. It's complicated and takes a **** ton of reps. I bet big money that compared to most programs our defense: special teams reps ratio in practice is through the roof. And it's really hard to get good ST reps without them being at the expense of offense and definitely defense. The way you can potentially do it is with a bunch of 3rd and 4th string guys, but that doesn't work very well, either in games or get you remotely close to real game speed reps.
 

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OK, everybody that keeps claiming we need a dedicated ST coach or coordinator, you need to think through the process of a practice.

All of your ST players other than K, P, LS and possibly holder are either on the offense or defense 2-deep, and if they are not they are doing scout stuff for the offense and defense. Meanwhile the K, P, LS and H are off on their own for most of practice getting reps. What do you want a ST coach to do? Stand there and watch the K, P and LS? Because the chances he has some magical trick to see and fix a mechanics issue is fairly small. Most of these kickers have been to camps and things with actual experts in kicking, which typically ST coaches are not.

So you want a guy to watch ST film, scout, gameplan and scheme for ST? That's exactly what Bonamego does, and his credentials suggest he should at the very least be competent in those areas.

In the biggest areas of blunders that coaching can help - kick coverage and punt blocking, those have pretty much been terrible lane integrity or poor pickups by the punt protection group. I assure you that no coach's plan/scheme at any level of football ever was what we saw in the Louisiana game, which was to have 4 or 5 guys with first day of junior high practice lane integrity.

The bottom line is a vast majority of our ST problems have come down to stuff that a better, smarter, dedicated coach is going to probably have a tough time fixing without a change to get more ST reps. Unless they cut into offense/defense time to get players more reps on special teams, those things aren't changing. You're probably not going to coach a kicker out of missing kicks. You aren't going to scheme your way to better coverage or punt protection without reps.

As Campbell says, you can't minor in what ISU does defensively. It's complicated and takes a **** ton of reps. I bet big money that compared to most programs our defense: special teams reps ratio in practice is through the roof. And it's really hard to get good ST reps without them being at the expense of offense and definitely defense. The way you can potentially do it is with a bunch of 3rd and 4th string guys, but that doesn't work very well, either in games or get you remotely close to real game speed reps.

A ST coach can stand there and whip the K until he is making 60 yard FG's blindfolded with his non kicking leg
 

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Make sure you let Michigan, Bama, Tenn, Clemson, UGA, USC, etc. know that you know more than they do about what they need.


Your analogy is off base because their job is to be a coach for the ISU Football Team, whether that is to coach 1 position, 2 positions or whatever that is their job.

A better analogy would be - I am a CPA at a CPA firm, I work in the tax department but I also am told to do consulting and attestation engagements. Multiple roles under 1 job.


And to answer your question - Yes I put considerably more time into my 2nd job (racing) than I do in my main job (CPA). So once again it's a bad analogy.
I’ll make sure I don’t come to you if I need any CPA work done then
 

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Okay so it’s obvious you’ve never been a part of a D1 football program or been to any ISU practices. Most of the specialists get their work done before practice and the first few periods of practice are dedicated to special teams with the different units, sometimes a period or two at the end of practice, and on random times a period in the middle of practice.

Kickers, punters, and long snappers don’t just kick, punt, or snap the entire practice lol. Their legs would be shot come Saturday. Usually after the first few periods they’ll do some drills then when they’re needed, they’ll snap to the QB’s, catch for the QBs, hold pads for the various groups, etc.

No, I never said I wanted a special teams analyst who doesn’t even live in Iowa. I would like a special teams coordinator (who would also coach a different position, just like an OC also coaches QBs or whatever) like other teams in the country have who are good at special teams. Not position coaches who get forced into being the KOR coach (for example) who don’t know a thing about KOR, but someone has to coach that unit because we don’t have a special teams coordinator
Tell us about your coaching credentials so we know whether to take you seriously or not.

Are you coach Jeff Prohm?
 
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I’ll make sure I don’t come to you if I need any CPA work done then
That's fine. I work efficiently so I don't have to work a lot of hours and not get to enjoy the fun stuff I like to do. If a client doesn't like that then go somewhere else where they take forever to get your work done and bill you for all those hours.

As most people around me know including most of my clients, I only work so I can race. If racing would support itself I'd be on the road racing 85% of the year.