***#14 Iowa State: Battle in the River City (Sat., Nov. 5)***

[Cyowa 14]

1. I think Lee will wrestle.
2. ISU does not have a legit shot if Lee wrestles.

ISU could absolutely win 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, and 197. ISU is favored at 133, 157, 165, 174 they said Brands won't wrestle?, and 184. 141, 149, and 197 are absolutely toss ups. I'm definitely picking Iowa but it's a match on paper even giving Lee 5 or 6 points

 

[CyCity]

Iowa will wrestle Lee because they know if they don’t they will lose.

 

[crablegs]

ISU could absolutely win 133, 141, 149, 157, 165, 174, 184, and 197. ISU is favored at 133, 157, 165, 174 they said Brands won't wrestle?, and 184. 141, 149, and 197 are absolutely toss ups. I'm definitely picking Iowa but it's a match on paper even giving Lee 5 or 6 points

Rose colored glasses. No way is ISU favored at 57. And 41 and 49 are definitely favorites for Iowa. ISU is only truly favored at 65, 74, 84 and even those are very small favorites.

I agree it is possible that ISU could win all those matches, but ISU could absolutely also lose all of those matches. In the best case scenario ISU is down 9-0 with 25 and hvy. More likely 11 or 12 down.

If we came away with 4 wins I’d think that is pretty good, and would feel very good about a 5/5 split. Even with a split, not making up that bonus.

ISU would need to win 6/10 matches. If you give us 65, 74, 84, we’d need to win 3 out of 5 toss ups at 33, 41, 49, 57, 97. Just extremely unlikely to do down in Carver. Impossible, no. <10% chance.

 

[JM4CY]

Rose colored glasses. No way is ISU favored at 57. And 41 and 49 are definitely favorites for Iowa. ISU is only truly favored at 65, 74, 84 and even those are very small favorites.

I agree it is possible that ISU could win all those matches, but ISU could absolutely also lose all of those matches. In the best case scenario ISU is down 9-0 with 25 and hvy. More likely 11 or 12 down.

If we came away with 4 wins I’d think that is pretty good, and would feel very good about a 5/5 split. Even with a split, not making up that bonus.

ISU would need to win 6/10 matches. If you give us 65, 74, 84, we’d need to win 3 out of 5 toss ups at 33, 41, 49, 57, 97. Just extremely unlikely to do down in Carver. Impossible, no. <10% chance.

I don't disagree. It is not likely, especially in Carver.

If we win the 3 favorites (74 being the only iffy one), 33 and 97 are very, VERY winnable. Then you just need to one of 41-57. 41 will be tough and no offense to the guys at 57 but that thing is still getting worked out. So that leaves 49. If Paniro can stick it to Austin Gomez, he sure as sh*t can beat Max freakin' Murin. It is not likely. But it's for damn sure not impossible. And this is even assuming Lee does wrestle. Regardless, this thing is gonna be a god damn war.

 

[cyclonenation5]

Rose colored glasses. No way is ISU favored at 57. And 41 and 49 are definitely favorites for Iowa. ISU is only truly favored at 65, 74, 84 and even those are very small favorites.

I agree it is possible that ISU could win all those matches, but ISU could absolutely also lose all of those matches. In the best case scenario ISU is down 9-0 with 25 and hvy. More likely 11 or 12 down.

If we came away with 4 wins I’d think that is pretty good, and would feel very good about a 5/5 split. Even with a split, not making up that bonus.

ISU would need to win 6/10 matches. If you give us 65, 74, 84, we’d need to win 3 out of 5 toss ups at 33, 41, 49, 57, 97. Just extremely unlikely to do down in Carver. Impossible, no. <10% chance.

This is probably a dumb argument to keep going since I don't think we're going to beat Iowa either, but I'm curious why there's no way ISU is favored at 157.

It's our weakest weight, but it's also their weakest weight by far. We don't know who's going for them, but unless something happened that I'm unaware of, it's going to be someone who has not been varsity until this year. I don't know why we couldn't win that one. We can't beat Cobe Siebrecht or Bretli Reyna?

 

[crablegs]

This is probably a dumb argument to keep going since I don't think we're going to beat Iowa either, but I'm curious why there's no way ISU is favored at 157.

It's our weakest weight, but it's also their weakest weight by far. We don't know who's going for them, but unless something happened that I'm unaware of, it's going to be someone who has not been varsity until this year. I don't know why we couldn't win that one. We can't beat Cobe Siebrecht or Bretli Reyna?

I didn’t say we couldn’t win, just we’re not favorites. If we can’t win a match against Campbell or Arkansas, we’re not a favorite against Iowa I don’t care who they throw out.

 

[cyclonenation5]

I didn’t say we couldn’t win, just we’re not favorites. If we can’t win a match against Campbell or Arkansas, we’re not a favorite against Iowa I don’t care who they throw out.

You're right, I should've said "I don't know why we shouldn't win that one." I'd still expect either of our guys to beat either of those guys.

 

[CyCloneRastlinG]

Rose colored glasses. No way is ISU favored at 57. And 41 and 49 are definitely favorites for Iowa. ISU is only truly favored at 65, 74, 84 and even those are very small favorites.

I agree it is possible that ISU could win all those matches, but ISU could absolutely also lose all of those matches. In the best case scenario ISU is down 9-0 with 25 and hvy. More likely 11 or 12 down.

If we came away with 4 wins I’d think that is pretty good, and would feel very good about a 5/5 split. Even with a split, not making up that bonus.

ISU would need to win 6/10 matches. If you give us 65, 74, 84, we’d need to win 3 out of 5 toss ups at 33, 41, 49, 57, 97. Just extremely unlikely to do down in Carver. Impossible, no. <10% chance.

Why does everyone keep saying we are favored at 174? Swafford beat Broderson 4-1 last year. He’s favored. And I don’t think there’s any way Lee wrestles. Double ACL surgery. Double. He’s coming back from something rarely ever even attempted. He has to be no where near ready to actually compete in a match yet.

 

[jkbuff98]

My neighbor told me Lee won’t wrestle until January , he usually has good info .

 

[DantheFan]

No matter what ends up happening this year, what I saw this last weekend that I may have loved the most is that the team looks like a TEAM, in the truest sense. They seem super tight. They all were cheering hard, celebrating, consoling (the couple of times it was needed), and having an absolute blast together.

I feel like we saw this a little during the last season, but this season is already shaping up to be a new level on all accounts. I hope they keep it up!

Dresser and Co. seem to be fostering an awesome culture of camaraderie. It's great.

 

[crablegs]

Why does everyone keep saying we are favored at 174? Swafford beat Broderson 4-1 last year. He’s favored. And I don’t think there’s any way Lee wrestles. Double ACL surgery. Double. He’s coming back from something rarely ever even attempted. He has to be no where near ready to actually compete in a match yet.

You’re right on 74. I couldn’t remember even who they had. We’re slight underdogs here. Although I think a Gaitan/Swafford match would be fireworks!

 

[Cyowa 14]

Why does everyone keep saying we are favored at 174? Swafford beat Broderson 4-1 last year. He’s favored. And I don’t think there’s any way Lee wrestles. Double ACL surgery. Double. He’s coming back from something rarely ever even attempted. He has to be no where near ready to actually compete in a match yet.

Ya I didn't know much about Iowa's 74 and 57, that's just what Flo said. I was surprised to hear they thought ISU was favored at those weights

 

[Cyowa 14]

Rose colored glasses. No way is ISU favored at 57. And 41 and 49 are definitely favorites for Iowa. ISU is only truly favored at 65, 74, 84 and even those are very small favorites.

I agree it is possible that ISU could win all those matches, but ISU could absolutely also lose all of those matches. In the best case scenario ISU is down 9-0 with 25 and hvy. More likely 11 or 12 down.

If we came away with 4 wins I’d think that is pretty good, and would feel very good about a 5/5 split. Even with a split, not making up that bonus.

ISU would need to win 6/10 matches. If you give us 65, 74, 84, we’d need to win 3 out of 5 toss ups at 33, 41, 49, 57, 97. Just extremely unlikely to do down in Carver. Impossible, no. <10% chance.

Agree with everything besides Carr and Coleman being very small favorites. Very comfortable favorites, Kennedy is talented but show some respect to a national and junior world champion. And Assad does not scare me at all

 

[crablegs]

Agree with everything besides Carr and Coleman being very small favorites. Very comfortable favorites, Kennedy is talented but show some respect to a national and junior world champion. And Assad does not scare me at all

I agree on Coleman. Big favorite there. Borderline major potential.

Kennedy will be problems.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

You guys are not worrying about the right thing. Will Kysen beat Ybarra?

 

[JM4CY]

I agree on Coleman. Big favorite there. Borderline major potential.

Kennedy will be problems.

Do you seriously think David will struggle? He might not major him but do you really think it will be in doubt?

 

[crablegs]

Do you seriously think David will struggle? He might not major him but do you really think it will be in doubt?

I’m picking David to win. If he were to lose I am not shocked. I think the score will be similar to Hamiti, but Kennedy will come a lot harder.

 

[csteve]

I’m picking David to win. If he were to lose I am not shocked. I think the score will be similar to Hamiti, but Kennedy will come a lot harder.

Coming a lot harder is usually in favor of Carr. He struggles when the opponent just plays defense the entire time.

 

[stuclone]

Coming a lot harder is usually in favor of Carr. He struggles when the opponent just plays defense the entire time.

 

[crooksie_26]

I mean Kennedy only beat Grant Stotts 8-4 LAST YEAR, pretty sure Carr would beat Grant by more, just saying.