State of ISU MBB if we had hired Otz instead of Prohm?

[UnCytely]

I think Otz is going to be a much better coach for us than we expected him to be. A lot of people were hesitant about him, perhaps very legitimately so, based on his performance at UNLV this past season, but he has done some really awesome recruiting in a very, very short time.

Anyway, I would like to see some musings on what would have happened the past few years if we had hired him instead of Steve Prohm back in 2015. I think he might not have done quite as well as CSP that first conference season, but would have advanced much, much further in the NCAA tournament. I think the adjustment from Hoiberg to Otz would have taken a bit longer for the players, but would have born fruit by the end of the season. For the subsequent years, I think we might not have had quite as many road wins as CSP had, but all those really awful losses at home would NOT have happened. And, of course, this years egg-laying would not have happened.

 

[JimDogRock]

TJ has coached zero games here.
Premature extrapolation.

 

[CyLyte2]

I think Otz is going to be a much better coach for us than we expected him to be. A lot of people were hesitant about him, perhaps very legitimately so, based on his performance at UNLV this past season, but he has done some really awesome recruiting in a very, very short time.

Anyway, I would like to see some musings on what would have happened the past few years if we had hired him instead of Steve Prohm back in 2015. I think he might not have done quite as well as CSP that first conference season, but would have advanced much, much further in the NCAA tournament. I think the adjustment from Hoiberg to Otz would have taken a bit longer for the players, but would have born fruit by the end of the season. For the subsequent years, I think we might not have had quite as many road wins as CSP had, but all those really awful losses at home would NOT have happened. And, of course, this years egg-laying would not have happened.

Better than Prohm, by far. Steven Leath should be horsewhipped. We wasted the biggest momentum we ever had. Sickening.

 

[clonedude]

The correct answer is that we have no clue.

Prohm was also a pretty decent recruiter, he just couldn’t coach at all. Same could be true of Otz, we’ll have to wait and see.

 

[NDMARTIN2015]

taking over a program like ISU after Hoiberg's success as a first time head coach could potentially be catastrophic, but nobody will ever know, regardless if it was otz or prohm they would have piggy backed on our older players for the first couple of years.

 

[NoCreativity]

I think Otz is going to be a much better coach for us than we expected him to be. A lot of people were hesitant about him, perhaps very legitimately so, based on his performance at UNLV this past season, but he has done some really awesome recruiting in a very, very short time.

Anyway, I would like to see some musings on what would have happened the past few years if we had hired him instead of Steve Prohm back in 2015. I think he might not have done quite as well as CSP that first conference season, but would have advanced much, much further in the NCAA tournament. I think the adjustment from Hoiberg to Otz would have taken a bit longer for the players, but would have born fruit by the end of the season. For the subsequent years, I think we might not have had quite as many road wins as CSP had, but all those really awful losses at home would NOT have happened. And, of course, this years egg-laying would not have happened.

So let me get this straight, in his first season he would have finished alot worse than Prohm's 10-8 team and first round exit in the Big 12? But he would have went alot further than the Sweet 16 in the NCAA tourney?

 

[Cyclonepride]

The only thing we can really say is that TJ is better prepared for the position today than he would have been then.

 

[CyLyte2]

Prohm didn’t recruit anyone for the first two years and the peanut gallery blamed it on Fred.

 

[NoCreativity]

Prohm didn’t recruit anyone for the first two years and the peanut gallery blamed it on Fred.

In Prohm's defense he didn't need to recruit high school kids when he's bringing in top transfer talent like Beverley, Brase, and Holden.

 

[knowlesjam]

TJ has coached zero games here.
Premature extrapolation.

They have a pill for that.

My biggest concern with TJ continues to be gametime coaching. In that, he is pretty damn similar to Steve. TJ also has brought in considerable talent...Steve did to, but Steve failed by not recruiting immediately, riding on Fred's talent. I'm enthused by who TJ has brought in as assistants and that should help player development...that and you would hope that TJ has worked to improve his gametime coaching. We will see...

 

[Aduhbolu15]

We will never know

 

[Go2Guy]

I'm confident TJ (or any other coach beside Prohm) will never produce the following:

1. a 2-win season with no conference wins (nearly impossible achievement).
2. Have a losing record to Iowa with four losses double-digits.

 

[allfourcy]

Not trying to be 'that guy', but that question and discussing this just seems so counterproductive. Nobody really can predict it and why bash the previous regime some more by always comparing. Rather talk about moving forward.

 

[Cyclonefan710]

I’m excited about TJ and glad he didn’t have to deal with the effed up roster that Hoiberg left behind. Great news I’m leaving you a ton of talented juniors and seniors, the bad news is I haven’t been recruiting the last two years so good luck balancing the roster after those guys graduate.

 

[heitclone]

6 straight nattys and a 150 game winning streak...talk about a no brainer.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

1.) TJ cutting his teeth at a smaller school as a head coach was probably best for all party's.

2.) Move on for Christ sake

 

[Cyched]

OP delivers yet another quality thread

 

[ruflosn]

Mid pack of the B12.

 

[VeloClone]

I’m excited about TJ and glad he didn’t have to deal with the effed up roster that Hoiberg left behind. Great news I’m leaving you a ton of talented juniors and seniors, the bad news is I haven’t been recruiting the last two years so good luck balancing the roster after those guys graduate.

Yes the roster was screwed up but I get so tired of hearing that Fred didn't recruit for two years. He was a victim of his own success and his NBA style game. Everyone knew that he wanted to eventually be in the NBA and that his game was a fit for the NBA and that hurt him on the recruiting trail - a lot. You are naïve if you don't think every coach he was recruiting against didn't use that against him. Kids want to know for whom they are going to be playing - not committing to the unknown.

 

[Cyforce]

I think Otz is going to be a much better coach for us than we expected him to be. A lot of people were hesitant about him, perhaps very legitimately so, based on his performance at UNLV this past season, but he has done some really awesome recruiting in a very, very short time.

Anyway, I would like to see some musings on what would have happened the past few years if we had hired him instead of Steve Prohm back in 2015. I think he might not have done quite as well as CSP that first conference season, but would have advanced much, much further in the NCAA tournament. I think the adjustment from Hoiberg to Otz would have taken a bit longer for the players, but would have born fruit by the end of the season. For the subsequent years, I think we might not have had quite as many road wins as CSP had, but all those really awful losses at home would NOT have happened. And, of course, this years egg-laying would not have happened.

Why must you pick at scabs?