For his work as on special teams... not as a receiver. I don't know why you aren't comprehending what they are saying to you.
Great kick returner? Yes. Serious threat as a WR at this point? No. Simple as that.
Let's get it going with B12 football ranking ...
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Great kick returner? Yes. Serious threat as a WR at this point? No. Simple as that.
It's pretty simple if you follow the thread and keep these posts in context, which works against your narrative, I get that. The debate was about speed, not receiver talent. Here's what I was responding to:
SouthernCy wrote: I literally just spit my water out laughing LMAO. No one has EVER said that about kansas state. EVER HAHAHAHAHA. It's honestly even funnier that you bring up PLAYERS that may have been fast (Lockett for sure was, Youngblood was a freshmen last year so again, lol, he didn't impress me) but just cause you have a fast player doesn't mean your team is fast. Those players you listed didn't even play on the same teams!
Locket - 11-14
Sproles - 01-04
Youngblood - 19-now
David Allen - 96-99
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The overall point is one fast kick returner doesn’t automatically make your team this bundle of speed.
The reality is KSU is probably last in the conference in overall team speed, so your point is moot.
Changing the goalposts is a fine strategy. But I do agree with your first comment.
1. OU - offensively will be fine and defense improves
2. OSU - offensive juggernaut will be tough keeping up
3. ISU - Brock is good, and the defense bounces back
4. TEX - meh on Herman.
5.TCU - Duggan shows promise in year 2
6.BAY - luck runs out, but still solid enough
7. TT - half step forward in year 2 for wells
8. WVU - similar to last year
9. KSU - not enough talent
10. KU - is ku.
2. OSU - offensive juggernaut will be tough keeping up
3. ISU - Brock is good, and the defense bounces back
4. TEX - meh on Herman.
5.TCU - Duggan shows promise in year 2
6.BAY - luck runs out, but still solid enough
7. TT - half step forward in year 2 for wells
8. WVU - similar to last year
9. KSU - not enough talent
10. KU - is ku.
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Let’s see if B12 & SEC team up to get 10-12 games as B10 has shown their undies. P12 will fold and ND will leave acc w/o notariety. Clearly Natl Champ will be from B12 as SEC cannot play the 3+ cupcakes as usual
First of all, I was wrong, it's not the coaches, since you're obviously trying to exploit the fact I was wrong on that. Regardless, here is the poll that was widely discussed from yesterday that shows KSU picked towards the bottom of the league, which is why you didn't post it.
https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article244276567.html
Wait, surly didn’t post a poll that wasn’t some random google searched article that sunshine pumped KSU? Shocking.
I agree beating Iowa is not going to happen in the forseeable future, so If I were looking for Validation aka Surly...I would look to Win a Big 12 football championship...because that will come before Matt Campbell beats Ferentz and Iowa....
Hey Chuck, you've been wrong many times, generally defending douchebag Bill Self, but I'll let that stand for now. Be sure to post the coaches' poll when you find it. Anyway, let me put it this way:
My bet is that K-State finishes higher than picked at #7 than Iowa State does at #4. So for example, if K-State finishes sixth, one notch above were picked, and ISU fourth, the same as forecast, then I win. Would you like to wager that - the loser: maybe a one-month Powercat avatar on your posts versus Cy on mine if I lose?
All I've said, after all, is that the Cats are consistently underrated and this year is no exception. I also showed evidence of that fact. Here it is again.
http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/all-teams.html
My bet is that K-State finishes higher than picked at #7 than Iowa State does at #4. So for example, if K-State finishes sixth, one notch above were picked, and ISU fourth, the same as forecast, then I win. Would you like to wager that - the loser: maybe a one-month Powercat avatar on your posts versus Cy on mine if I lose?
All I've said, after all, is that the Cats are consistently underrated and this year is no exception. I also showed evidence of that fact. Here it is again.
http://preseason.stassen.com/over-under/all-teams.html
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So this link you included has Alabama more towards the top in terms of being underrated, and then Clemson as being overrated? Higher ranked teams to start the year only really have one place to go and that is down.
If KSU didn’t have such an egregious non-con I’d pick them to go 4-8 or 5-7.
They will be bottom 3 in the league in terms of talent and won’t have the experience (especially on the OL) to get them to 8-9 wins.
