Turmoil in the Pac-12 ... moving on from Larry Scott?

ArgentCy

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It's the dress for the job you want, not the job you have principle. Sometimes though, $2,000 suits don't make sense for the person in the mail room.

IMO $2,000 suits are for people who have no clue what they are doing. Just one step up from a face tattoo.
 

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And if a new entrant would acquire the P12/B12 rights, they could potentially sublicense OTA rights to CBS, who needs to replace their weekly SEC GOTW that is moving to ESPN/ABC.

This could potentially give CBS three broadcast games for 11:00, 2:30, and 7:00, (and maybe four if they wanted a night-owl game) each week.
 

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I really enjoyed PAC football when I lived in the same time zone. The matchups, venues, tradition (not CU or Utah) are well established.

The addition of the 2 teams didn't bring a ton of value as a fan.

They have **** the bed with media payouts even with the LA, SF, and Seattle markets. I know LA isn't a "sports town" but it's the second largest market in America who loves to follow a winner...

Poor job by the PAC in playing their hand

I love living out here and I still love college sports, but the inevitable move to paid subscriptions is gonna kill P12 revenue.

A small population state like Nebraska or Iowa is going to buy more subscriptions than huge parts of their casual fan footprint.
 

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I love living out here and I still love college sports, but the inevitable move to paid subscriptions is gonna kill P12 revenue.

A small population state like Nebraska or Iowa is going to buy more subscriptions than huge parts of their casual fan footprint.

I keep bringing up the ESPN+ reaction on here

Our traditional TV ratings aren't spectacular either

A pay to view model isn't a sure winner in my estimation
 

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I keep bringing up the ESPN+ reaction on here

Our traditional TV ratings aren't spectacular either

A pay to view model isn't a sure winner in my estimation

Yeah, there's a tech barrier for some...a general whining issue for others.

But I have to think if the only way to watch Huskers/Hawkeys/Cyclones/JHawks/Wildcats was to buy a $10/month subscription the people in those low population states are going to pony up.

West coast I'm thinking not as much.
 

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This could potentially give CBS three broadcast games for 11:00, 2:30, and 7:00, (and maybe four if they wanted a night-owl game) each week.
That may be too many games for CBS to pay for on a weekly basis but it's hard to imagine CBS out of the the CFB picture. Their contract with the SEC was, by far, the most network friendly sports TV contract of them all. They were paying like only $55M/year for typically the highest rated games and ESPN/ABC reportedly will be paying over $300M/year to the SEC on the new deal.

In a P12/B12 alliance scenario, I could see CBS getting the #1 pick on a weekly basis from the alliance inventory for the 2:30 window. Like they did with SEC, they could televise some prime time games as well to compete against the Fox and ABC prime time games. Could also have one or two weekly games on CBSSN with the rest on YouTube TV, Apple TV or Amazon Prime (depending on who wins the rights).
 

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The west coast has so many things going for it, and all the population and money you can imagine...but they'll never love college sports like fans in the midwest/south.
 

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I don't think it can overstated what an absolutely failure the PAC has been in recent years. There were YEARS of TV revenue that were dependent on having Cable/Satellite subscribers more than anything else. The PAC has big TV markets. With something even approaching competence the PAC should've made huge money in the 00s and 10s.

As revenue becomes more and more dependent on actual viewership they are screwed. I can understand that moving forward in the current environment the PAC is in a tougher position than probably all the other major conferences. However, there is zero excuse for them not absolutely cleaning up during the dinosaur days of cable/satellite subscriber dependence.
They had a legit "excuse", since PACN was 100% conference owned and not aligned with ESPN, Fox etc., they had very little negotiating leverage with CATV and SAT providers. Scott and the P12 Presidents never did fully comprehend that lack of leverage and Scott exacerbated that issue with excessive operating overhead to run PACN. ESPN could bundle SECN with their other channels for negotiations. Fox did likewise with BTN for theirs. I cannot envision a legit scenario where the P12 enters negotiations for the new TV deals with PACN remaining 100% wholly owned by the conference and the P12 Presidents permitting Scott to run PACN essentially as-is.
 

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I keep bringing up the ESPN+ reaction on here

Our traditional TV ratings aren't spectacular either

A pay to view model isn't a sure winner in my estimation

Because that was an extremely weak sellout move.

I was subscribed to Cyclones.TV since like the first month it was available. I cancelled and have subscribed to all of <1 month of ESPN+.
 

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I’ll believe it when I see it. Canzano has done some good, hard pieces on Scott but Scott never goes anywhere.
 

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https://news.stanford.edu/2020/07/08/athletics/

"For example, simply looking at sponsorship of the sports at a national level as one consideration:
  • Of the 11 sports being discontinued, six (lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming) are not NCAA-sponsored championship sports.
  • All 11 sports being discontinued are sponsored by less than 22% of the more than 350 Division I institutions, and nine (men’s and women’s fencing, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men’s volleyball) are sponsored by less than 9%.
  • There are only two other Division I field hockey programs on the West Coast, and there are no other fencing, lightweight rowing, sailing, squash or synchronized swimming programs on the West Coast.
Many of these sports currently compete without a full complement of scholarships (e.g. wrestling), coaches and resources. After careful analysis, we concluded there was no realistic path to ensuring that they have all of the resources needed to compete at the highest level without hindering our ability to support our other 25 varsity sports."
 

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Well that seems like big news. I mean there is a reason they dominate the All-Sports rankings but one big one is that they had a team for just about every sport that few schools could afford.
 

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One thing I really hate about CFB coverage is the agendas. Mostly Big 10 and SEC homers badmouthing other conferences. In reality, they just want those conferences to fail so that they can poach teams and get their favorite schools more money. I for one just love watching CFB. If I'm able to watch all day, those P12 or MWC games starting at 9 or 10 are awesome. They play good FB out there and it's just another game that I can watch or bet on. Same for the MAC midweek games. More viewing windows means that I can catch more games without having to switch between them like I do for the Saturday 11/2:30/7 time slots.

Guess that's why I like listening to podcasts like Cover 3 or Solid Verbal. Those guys just like FB and don't seem to have an agenda.
 

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One thing I really hate about CFB coverage is the agendas. Mostly Big 10 and SEC homers badmouthing other conferences.

SEC football I really don't mind because they generally back it up. They should get the most talking head coverage.

Big Ten in both major tv sports...it becomes insane to listen to the fantasy land homerism. Sure there are years here or there where it's an elite conference in either sport. But year after year the computer average analysis shows it's just not on par with the Big 12, especially in basketball where the Big 12 has been #1 pretty much every year since Neb/CO dead weight left.

A lot of it lately is just that sports journalists can't do math. If the Big 12 and Big Ten each get 5 bowl wins they think that's even, if they both have 4 teams ranked in the top 25 they think that's even, if they both get 3 teams to the Sweet 16 they think that's even.

In reality when our 10 team conference exceeds, matches or is even close to what the 14 and 15 team leagues are doing it means the Big 12 is drastically tougher. In football and basketball the only conference that is consistently as strong or stronger than the Big 12 on a per team basis is SEC football. Even ACC basketball when you look at it per our 10 teams and per their 15 teams the Big 12 consistently grades out as a tougher league.
 
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