Oklahoma State basketball hit w/ 1 year post-season ban

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randomfan44

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So because Bill was just doing what everyone does so we shouldn’t be busting his balls? Am I doing this right?
Every coach in America wants to get better players. It's a violation to state that out loud?

What specific ncaa rule was broken in that conversation?
 

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Self has moved on from I'm innocent and a victim here to the "they all do it" defense. If not factual at least it's refreshing.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2020/jun/18/kansas-coach-self-threatens-legal-action-against-n/

Self personally was handed a coach responsibility charge, and the penalties associated with the alleged violations carry potential show-cause — essentially a suspension — penalties for Self and assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, a postseason ban, loss of recruiting scholarships, and vacated wins.

KU, Self and Townsend have vigorously disputed the charges facing the program since the process began; however, Self’s threat of legal action seems to clearly demonstrate KU won’t quietly accept any punishment that results in the aforementioned penalties.

“To put it bluntly, the NCAA enforcement staff is attempting to end Mr. Self’s long and very successful coaching career for conduct which all coaches engage in and which the NCAA has known for many years is commonplace and permissible,” Tompsett wrote.
 

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Self has moved on from I'm innocent and a victim here to the "they all do it" defense. If not factual at least it's refreshing.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2020/jun/18/kansas-coach-self-threatens-legal-action-against-n/

Self personally was handed a coach responsibility charge, and the penalties associated with the alleged violations carry potential show-cause — essentially a suspension — penalties for Self and assistant coach Kurtis Townsend, a postseason ban, loss of recruiting scholarships, and vacated wins.

KU, Self and Townsend have vigorously disputed the charges facing the program since the process began; however, Self’s threat of legal action seems to clearly demonstrate KU won’t quietly accept any punishment that results in the aforementioned penalties.

“To put it bluntly, the NCAA enforcement staff is attempting to end Mr. Self’s long and very successful coaching career for conduct which all coaches engage in and which the NCAA has known for many years is commonplace and permissible,” Tompsett wrote.
The most ridiculous charge is that Kansas showed a failure to control Adidas' access to FUTURE KU recruits and their families.

The notion that Kansas, or any school, is responsible for preventing Adidas, or any shoe company, from talking to any FUTURE recruit they might sign is so fundamentally stupid. The ncaa is clearly on a desperate face-saving mission and they are only exposing themselves as the incompetent morons that they are.
 

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The most ridiculous charge is that Kansas showed a failure to control Adidas' access to FUTURE KU recruits and their families.

The notion that Kansas, or any school, is responsible for preventing Adidas, or any shoe company, from talking to any FUTURE recruit they might sign is so fundamentally stupid. The ncaa is clearly on a desperate face-saving mission and they are only exposing themselves as the incompetent morons that they are.

This is actually the most material charge against the program, as Adidas's rep, T.J. Gassnola, was given unfettered access by Bill Self to Ku basketball. This, after being warned by KU Compliance that Gassnola was the recruiting equivalent of the Mafia's Lucky Luciano. It's the classic case of a lack of institutional control, isn't it.

Bill Self is a fine, ethically challenged, but not particularly bright basketball coach who got caught doing what many other elite coaches find necessary. He made alliances with bad actors who paid players to sign at Ku.

Self's problem is that he got caught in his own backdoor scheme. He, like the mental midget at LSU, was not careful or smart like his peers at Duke and Kentucky. Plus, the timing was all wrong for Bill. It just as well could have been one of the others, but I doubt they have been quite so brazenly dumb.

Those are the NCAA Enforcement accounts of three Kansas senior athletic administrators regarding the bagman who came home to roost in Lawrence. They didn’t like T.J. Gassnola, didn’t trust him—and didn’t do a thing to curtail his access to Self’s program ... (Ku Compliance) described him thusly to NCAA investigators: “He’s a parasite taking advantage of kids and riding their coattails to be a jock sniffer to power coaches and power players in the industry."

https://www.si.com/college/2020/05/08/kansas-basketball-scandal-bill-self-tj-gassnola
 
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This is actually the most material charge against the program, as Adidas's rep, T.J. Gassnola, was given unfettered access by Bill Self to Ku basketball. This, after being warned by KU Compliance that Gassnola was the recruiting equivalent of the Mafia's Lucky Luciano. It's the classic case of a lack of institutional control, isn't it.

Bill Self is a fine, ethically challenged, but not particularly bright basketball coach who got caught doing what many other elite coaches find necessary. He made alliances with bad actors who paid players to sign at Ku.

Self's problem is that he got caught in this own backdoor scheme. He, like the mental midget at LSU, was not smart enough like his peers at Duke and Kentucky. Plus, the timing was all wrong for Bill. It just as well could have been one of the others, but I doubt they have been quite so brazenly dumb.

Those are the NCAA Enforcement accounts of three Kansas senior athletic administrators regarding the bagman who came home to roost in Lawrence. They didn’t like T.J. Gassnola, didn’t trust him—and didn’t do a thing to curtail his access to Self’s program ... (Ku Compliance) described him thusly to NCAA investigators: “He’s a parasite taking advantage of kids and riding their coattails to be a jock sniffer to power coaches and power players in the industry."

https://www.si.com/college/2020/05/08/kansas-basketball-scandal-bill-self-tj-gassnola
Take that Pat Forde Mizzou garbage somewhere else.

None of this answers my question as to why the NCAA thinks it is lack of institutional control to not prevent an Adidas rep from contacting high school players who might go to Kansas. They aren't Kansas employees, what on earth would they do to prevent it? None of the violations involved here were in regards to Kansas players who were on the roster of Kansas at the time of the violation. No school has a way to prevent this type of interaction. NONE. That's absurd.

If Kansas is in violation because of that then every D1 school in America should be charged with a Level 1 violation because every school in America has a kid who has gotten stuff from a shoe company employee. Every. One. If you don't think that's true then you're either completely naive or a bold faced liar.
 

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Take that Pat Forde Mizzou garbage somewhere else.

None of this answers my question as to why the NCAA thinks it is lack of institutional control to not prevent an Adidas rep from contacting high school players who might go to Kansas. They aren't Kansas employees, what on earth would they do to prevent it? None of the violations involved here were in regards to Kansas players who were on the roster of Kansas at the time of the violation. No school has a way to prevent this type of interaction. NONE. That's absurd.

If Kansas is in violation because of that then every D1 school in America should be charged with a Level 1 violation because every school in America has a kid who has gotten stuff from a shoe company employee. Every. One. If you don't think that's true then you're either completely naive or a bold faced liar.
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https://oklahoman.com/article/56654...ketball-penalties-unjustifiable-and-excessive


In the letter the attorney general wrote that, despite the university’s full cooperation throughout the investigation, the NCAA didn’t provide sufficient explanation for such a harsh penalty, even when it admitted that the incident involved one corrupt assistant coach who was working independently and without the university’s knowledge.

Hunter said harshly punishing universities that cooperate or self-report incidents could cause universities to stonewall future investigations, rather than cooperate.

“The punishment by the NCAA to the OSU men’s basketball program is excessive, is completely unfair and only hurts the student athletes, who have worked their entire lives to play basketball at this level,” Hunter said. “In its findings, the NCAA admits that the university had no knowledge or connection to the corrupt act of a lone wolf, and his actions were of no benefit whatsoever to the university. The NCAA’s punishment is unjustifiable, illogical and needs to be re-assessed.”

The letter explains that the NCAA admitted it found Evans began accepting bribes to steer student-athletes to two financial advisers before he was employed by OSU.

The attorney general also found “worrisome” that some aspects of the decision appear to have been copied and pasted from other decisions from the NCAA. He cited an example on page 18 of the investigation, where the NCAA mistakenly labeled the former basketball coach the “head track coach.”:rolleyes:
 
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