Kirk Ferentz getting sued for being racist

[clonedude]

TheBear has obviously completely lost his mind now. This whole thing has really gotten to him.

I mean... for some of these people... the absolute worst thing that could happen to them in their life is if their beloved Hawkeyes weren't as heavenly clean as they've always mistakenly believed.

Someone that knows him may really need to check on him?

 

[Gunnerclone]

So was there nothing on DP or Cowherd about this today? Or any other shows?

Don't tell me that this rogue program is going to be allowed to skate by yet again. It's just disgusting.

Not only are the coaches racist, but the fans also believe those coaches over the voices of 40+ football players too. These football players finally had the guts to come forward about all this, and the fanbase treats them like s**t too... and believes the coaches instead.

What a horrible thing to do to these players.

Don’t get your hopes up about the big national talkers. It’s Iowa, not a premier college football program.

 

[CyTwins]

There's a saying in politics and public relations that you answer the question you want to answer, whether it was the question you were asked or not.

Ferentz was asked whether the story was true and whether Doyle was disciplined. It was an extensive question and his answer took about five seconds:

"I'm not saying it's true or not true, I don't remember Chris using that word. I've never heard Chris use that phraseology."

Notice, he did not discuss whether he had a conversation with Morrow. He sidesteps the issue by saying he doesn't remember Doyle talking that way.

Of course he wouldn't remember that. Because according to the ESPN story:
Morrow said Ferentz and the other on-field coaches weren't in the weight room during the workout.

That's a hell of a dodge there. The clipped answer on Rob Howe's question was shaky enough, but if you read closely enough it turns out he didn't answer it anyway.

Doyle was racist to Morrow. Even Brodie admits that. He went to Ferentz to complain and Ferentz told him he needed to apologize to Doyle and suspended him. Does anyone else see how insane that is?

This wasn't some walk on scrub this was a 4 star recruit who played as a true freshman. If CMC did that I would help him pack his bags. Imagine what that young man was feeling going through that situation

 

[Brodie0]

Quite the reach.

How so? A player and a coach got into a verbal altercation, and the coach told the player he would send his ass back to his hometown. There is nothing noteworthy about that. If that’s the story Morrow told Ferentz, why would Ferentz have reprimanded Doyle for anything?

Now, the language that Morrow highlighted later on in the article is wildly inappropriate, but there is no indication that he ever brought that up with Ferentz.

 

[clonedude]

Don’t get your hopes up about the big national talkers. It’s Iowa, not a premier college football program.

I'm still hoping Weds will shed some real light on what happened.... not just KF's "I know nothing" version.

 

[Cyforce]

False. I have been clear that Doyle and any other coach with a pattern of racist comments needs to be fired. But Morrow’s tweet claimed that Ferentz suspended him after Doyle told him to go back to the ghetto. Turns out, that didn’t actually happen. Morrow complained to Ferentz because Doyle told him he would “send his ass back to Glenville.” How does that implicate Ferentz? Ferentz says he can’t recall any player complaining to him about Doyle’s use of sending a player back to the “streets” or back to the “ghetto” - THATS BECAUSE IT NEVER HAPPENED.

Were you a defense attorney in Nuremberg?

 

[CyTwins]

Doyle was racist to Morrow. Even Brodie admits that. He went to Ferentz to complain and Ferentz told him he needed to apologize to Doyle and suspended him. Does anyone else see how insane that is?

This wasn't some walk on scrub this was a 4 star recruit who played as a true freshman. If CMC did that I would help him pack his bags. Imagine what that young man was feeling going through that situation

What part of this do you disagree with @Brodie0

 

[Brodie0]

There's a saying in politics and public relations that you answer the question you want to answer, whether it was the question you were asked or not.

Ferentz was asked whether the story was true and whether Doyle was disciplined. It was an extensive question and his answer took about five seconds:

"I'm not saying it's true or not true, I don't remember Chris using that word. I've never heard Chris use that phraseology."

Notice, he did not discuss whether he had a conversation with Morrow. He sidesteps the issue by saying he doesn't remember Doyle talking that way.

Of course he wouldn't remember that. Because according to the ESPN story:
Morrow said Ferentz and the other on-field coaches weren't in the weight room during the workout.

That's a hell of a dodge there. The clipped answer on Rob Howe's question was shaky enough, but if you read closely enough it turns out he didn't answer it anyway.

Ferentz doesn’t remember Doyle using that language because that is not the language Doyle used in the altercation with Morrow. Doyle said he would send Morrow back to Glenville, not to the ghetto. Morrow’s initial tweet and the story he told Rittenburg don’t match up.

 

[CyTwins]

How so? A player and a coach got into a verbal altercation, and the coach told the player he would send his ass back to his hometown. There is nothing noteworthy about that. If that’s the story Morrow told Ferentz, why would Ferentz have reprimanded Doyle for anything?

Now, the language that Morrow highlighted later on in the article is wildly inappropriate, but there is no indication that he ever brought that up with Ferentz.

So you think Ferentz was right for suspending a kid who went to him to say Doyle was racist to him?

 

[clonedude]

How so? A player and a coach got into a verbal altercation, and the coach told the player he would send his ass back to his hometown. There is nothing noteworthy about that. If that’s the story Morrow told Ferentz, why would Ferentz have reprimanded Doyle for anything?

Now, the language that Morrow highlighted later on in the article is wildly inappropriate, but there is no indication that he ever brought that up with Ferentz.

Wow... you will really go to extreme lengths to try to defend racism when it happens inside your favorite team's football facility, won't you? Geeez. Not a good look buddy. Just stop. It doesn't paint you in a good light at all.

 

[Brodie0]

What part of this do you disagree with @Brodie0

You’re intentionally misrepresenting what happened. Doyle told Morrow he’d send his ass back to his hometown. There is nothing racist about that statement. If that is what Morrow complained to Ferentz about, why would Ferentz have reprimanded Doyle? Suspending Morrow was excessive, but now we know that the story Morrow told in his tweet is not accurate.

 

[Trice]

Ferentz doesn’t remember Doyle using that language because that is not the language Doyle used in the altercation with Morrow. Doyle said he would send Morrow back to Glenville, not to the ghetto. Morrow’s initial tweet and the story he told Rittenburg don’t match up.

Shorter Brodie: "Ferentz wasn't racist in that way...he was racist in this way."

 

[inCyteful]

All the bluster and banter here is entertaining but this entire thing is really sad.

KF, Doyle and the coaching staff should know better.

What is really sad is that they are dragging the fanbase down with them. I don't really think people like Brodie and TheBear are racist or bad people but here they are defending abusive coaches/racists. They just don't know any better. It is all fun and games when talking recruiting and the elusive quest to be nationally relevant but now they have blurred the lines between right and wrong and these guys just can't deal with heavy weight stuff like that.

 

[Brodie0]

Wow... you will really go to extreme lengths to try to defend racism when it happens inside your favorite team's football facility, won't you? Geeez. Not a good look buddy. Just stop. It doesn't paint you in a good light at all.

Please point out the specific flaws in my reasoning.

 

[CyTwins]

Suspending Morrow was excessive.

So this is multiple things you've admitted weren't right in how Kirk has handled black athletes yet you still stand by him. You're part of the problem

 

[CyTwins]

Shorter Brodie: "Ferentz wasn't racist in that way...he was racist in this way."

Lol so sad but so true

 

[Beyerball]

I'm still hoping Weds will shed some real light on what happened.... not just KF's "I know nothing" version.

my concern is that KF put together this committee lead by Mike Daniels so fast that I guarantee you KF first demand is to have committed reach out to Wadley Mom and keep everything private..

make no mistake this committee was formed by KF to quite things..not solve things..

 

[clonedude]

You've got 40+ players saying it happened.... and you've got Doyle denying it, and KF saying he just doesn't remember s**t.... and these fans are believing Doyle and KF's view. You can't make this stuff up folks.

No wonder racism has existed this long. You'll believe two rich old white guys in denial over the black players that actually went through it. That's just ugly.

 

[jcisuclones]

The hok trolls in this thread:

 

[CyTwins]

You've got 40+ players saying it happened.... and you've got Doyle denying it, and KF saying he just doesn't remember s**t.... and these fans are believing Doyle and KF's view. You can't make this stuff up folks.

No wonder racism has existed this long. You'll believe two rich old white guys in denial over the black players that actually went through it. That's just ugly.

Kirk didn't recall ghetto though so at least he has that example where he didn't lie even though he was racist in that situation anyways