The Two Powerhouse Football Conferences

[TRYHARDER]

Maybe Iowa should join the Big XII then and show us how dominant they can be against our inferior conference. When you get to duck the best teams in your league, like the B1G West does on a consistent basis, it certainly is much easier to have an inflated record.

Have you ever considered that some years Ohio State gets to "duck" the Hawks?

 

[TheBear]

Have you ever considered that some years Ohio State gets to "duck" the Hawks?

Yep 2002 and 2015 comes to mind. Good thing Iowa’s starting QB couldn’t play in the 2009 game in Columbus as well.

Can’t wait to see how CyTwins will get pounded with his next troll job.

 

[TrianglePlace]

Maybe Iowa should join the Big XII then and show us how dominant they can be against our inferior conference. When you get to duck the best teams in your league, like the B1G West does on a consistent basis, it certainly is much easier to have an inflated record.

Why would Iowa take a pay cut?

 

[iahawks]

I never said anything was 100% correct.

Also CyTwins: “I don't see any flaws in Sagarin's SOS no.“

Can’t make this up.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Maybe you can answer what no clone fan has before you. Clearly Sagarin is the isu fan go-to so if that is the case and you say Iowa win total is inflated then why wouldn’t isu win any more games the last 2 years playing Iowa’s schedule according to the Sagarin Predictor?

Because they factor the officiating bias negating win's. ie. Iowa holding, OU 2 pt conversion/no PI, Texas fumble/ not a fumble, K-State penalty/no penalty multiple times. The list is extensive.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Have you ever considered that some years Ohio State gets to "duck" the Hawks?

LOL, Never!

 

[HFCS]

In basketball per team the big 12 is actually #1 with plenty of separation.

 

[CyclonesRock]

Why would Iowa take a pay cut?

According to you Hoks, having such an "easy" road to the CFP in a such a "weak" conference like the Big XII?

 

[TrianglePlace]

According to you Hoks, having such an "easy" road to the CFP in a such a "weak" conference like the Big XII?

I like the big pay day and not being in a conference that could be on the chopping block every time realignment is discussed.

 

[Gonzo]

I will give you the one blowout, but the 10 point loss was a 3 point Iowa lead, late in the into the 4th quarter, Iowa score with 4:47 to push the lead to 10, 13 to 3.
But was a much closer game that could have gone either way until the end.

As to MSU being the better team in 2015, they may have beaten OSU, but they also lost to Nebraska that year, and lost in the playoff 38-0 to Alabama. Both teams finished with a 11-1 record, but MSU won the tiebreaker with their win over OSU, but most would say they were not the better team. I tend to think that OSU would have at least given the Tide a game.

You said they all ended up being single possession games. A 10-point lead and win isn't a single possession game. I'm not a math guy and even to me it's pretty simple.

 

[TheBear]

Because they factor the officiating bias negating win's. ie. Iowa holding, OU 2 pt conversion/no PI, Texas fumble/ not a fumble, K-State penalty/no penalty multiple times. The list is extensive.

Makes sense for clone fans to go to the “Refs stole it from is” card.

 

[TheBear]

You said they all ended up being single possession games. A 10-point lead and win isn't a single possession game. I'm not a math guy and even to me it's pretty simple.

what clone fan meant was at one possession game at one point in the second half. Just like the Iowa/isu basketball game was a one possession game during the first 90 seconds of the game.

 

[Lyddea]

Apologize in advance, but my data-loving heart was interested, so I present the conferences in the CFP era (2014-present) by the numbers:

CFP Wins ... Nattys ... Unique teams
https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/...college-football-playoff-wins-and-appearances

1. SEC: 9 ... 3 ... 3
2. ACC: 6 ... 2 ... 2
3. B1G: 2 ... 1 ... 2
4. P12: 1 ... 0 ... 2
5. B12: 0 ... 0 ... 1

OOC record (P5 only)
https://topdan.com/college-football-conference-records/2019.html

1. SEC: 16-8, 14-9, 10-12, 11-14, 14-7, 11-10 = 76-60
2. P12: 8-5, 6-7, 7-9, 8-8, 6-8, 11-4 = 46-41
3. B1G: 7-10, 12-9, 14-6, 9-11, 12-13, 11-13 = 65-62
4. B12: 7-7, 8-9, 8-8, 5-8, 7-7, 6-11 = 43-50
5. ACC: 6-14, 7-13, 10-14, 17-9, 9-13, 10-11 = 59-74

Bowl record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_NCAA_football_bowl_games

1. SEC: 8-2, 6-6, 5-6, 6-7, 9-2, 7-5 = 41-28
2. B1G: 4-5, 5-4, 7-1, 3-7, 5-5, 6-5 = 30-27
3. P12: 4-3, 3-4, 1-8, 3-3, 6-4, 6-3 = 23-25
4. ACC: 4-7, 6-5, 4-6, 9-3, 4-6, 4-7 = 31-34
5. B12: 1-5, 4-3, 5-3, 4-2, 3-4, 2-5 = 19-22

Draft picks per team per year
https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ime-record-sec-on-top-for-14th-straight-year/

1. SEC: 63 + 64 + 53 + 53 + 51 + 54 = 338/(14*6) = 4.0
2. B1G: 48 + 40 + 32 + 35 + 47 + 35 = 237/(14*6) = 2.8
3. P12: 32 + 33 + 30 + 36 + 32 + 39 = 202/(12*6) = 2.8
4. ACC: 27 + 28 + 46 + 43 + 26 + 47 = 217/(14*6) = 2.6
5. B12: 21 + 26 + 20 + 14 + 26 + 25 = 132/(10*6) = 2.2

Top 25 finishes per team (over all 6 years)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_NCAA_football_bowl_games

1. SEC: 5, 6, 5, 5, 5, 6 = 32/(14) = 2.29
2. B1G: 6, 5, 5, 4, 6, 3 = 29/(14) = 2.07
3. B12: 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3 = 19/(10) = 1.90
4. P12: 2, 2, 3, 5, 3, 6 = 21/(12) = 1.75
5. ACC: 1, 2, 4, 5, 3, 4 = 19/(14) = 1.36

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but forget all the one-off proprietary (and flawed in their own way) metrics and just look at the results. There is one powerhouse conference, the SEC, and then there is a fight after that.

It sucks, but that's reality. "Two powerhouse conferences" is asinine. One conference has separated itself at the top, and (I would argue) one at the bottom (the ACC, Clemson is an amazing program of course). But there is no comparative results-based data that suggests that the Big 12 is qualitatively better than the Big 10 or Pac 12. Those three conferences are all fighting it out in the middle.

 

[CyTwins]

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but forget all the one-off proprietary (and flawed in their own way) metrics and just look at the results. There is one powerhouse conference, the SEC, and then there is a fight after that.

It sucks, but that's reality. "Two powerhouse conferences" is asinine. One conference has separated itself at the top, and (I would argue) one at the bottom (the ACC, Clemson is an amazing program of course). But there is no comparative results-based data that suggests that the Big 12 is qualitatively better than the Big 10 or Pac 12. Those three conferences are all fighting it out in the middle.

Pac 12 and the Big Ten are fighting for third and it's not really even debatable

 

[TheBear]

Pac 12 and the Big Ten are fighting hour third and it's not really even debatable

Big 12 is so mighty that they are 2-12 the last two years in Bowl games.

 

[Lyddea]

Pac 12 and the Big Ten are fighting hour third and it's not really even debatable

What result can you support that with?

No convoluted and incomprehensible metric. A simple result. Show me at least one. I've showed what felt like the whole lot, but I'm sure it's not. What am I missing?

Edit: To be clear, "support that" refers to the idea that the Big12 is on the same level as the SEC and qualitatively ahead of the Pac 12 and ACC.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

You said they all ended up being single possession games. A 10-point lead and win isn't a single possession game. I'm not a math guy and even to me it's pretty simple.

I guess I was just like all the EIU fans that said all fall, winter and spring, right up till the 2nd round of the draft that there was no way Espinoza was not going to be drafted in the top half of the draft.

 

[Gonzo]

I guess I was just like all the EIU fans that said all fall, winter and spring, right up till the 2nd round of the draft that there was no way Espinoza was not going to be drafted in the top half of the draft.

Yeah, the ones you think are idiots. Think about that.

And he was taken in the top half of the draft. By, like, a lot.

 

[CyTwins]

What result can you support that with?

No convoluted and incomprehensible metric. A simple result. Show me at least one. I've showed what felt like the whole lot, but I'm sure it's not. What am I missing?

Edit: To be clear, "support that" refers to the idea that the Big12 is on the same level as the SEC and qualitatively ahead of the Pac 12 and ACC.

Here you go. Big 12 behind the SEC West but obviously ahead of everyone else

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/2019/conference/

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Yeah, the ones you think are idiots. Think about that.

And he was taken in the top half of the draft. By, like, a lot.

Not in the top half of the first round or any part of the first round, you damn well know what I was talking about. Quit playing, you are better than that.