If heart disease was something that people got from hanging out with friends or going to work, do you think there would be actions to lower its prevalence?
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If heart disease was something that people got from hanging out with friends or going to work, do you think there would be actions to lower its prevalence?
I'm not certain most people think this way. I'm certainly not think that we did an acceptable job if a specific number of people die.
What I'm reading is most people have this perspective: we don't believe enough is was done when the threat was known early on and enough isn't being done now.
Sure, 21 said it harshly. But based on the context of his posts, he's basically saying the above.Do you agree with that perspective - or is it "wrong" as well?
it's almost like electing a governor mostly because she was a buddy of the ex-governor wouldn't backfire.
I think everyone thinks that way. I hate to use the car accident analogy again, but if people actually thought "no deaths are acceptable, we can prevent them all", then they would never get into a car.
Yes they made some very stupid mistakes I fully agree, but I was responding to someone inferring they weren't making any mitigation efforts when at least I don't know if they had taken any steps or not.
I can vouch for this in our city, my wife has worked at a Hospital for 30 years. Now she is only working 18 hours a week. No medical records to process. Next we will be bailing out hospitals.
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Tyson press releases indicate they'd been following CDC guidelines to manage the crisis since at least March 6, when there was only about 300 people known to have the virus nationwide.
https://thefeed.blog/2020/03/06/adjusting-adapting-to-the-challenge-of-coronavirus/
This is quite ironic, since you were the one who stepped in to police other people's perspective.
fortunately you don't usually catch heart disease from going into unsafe working conditions
Obviously they weren't following those guidelines because people weren't maintaining social distance. People weren't wearing masks. Those are CDC guidelines.
It depends on what is meant by "doing more". I don't agree more businesses should have been shut down earlier, or that they should now. I do agree that more people could have and should be taking precautions themselves.
So, I don't agree that from a governmental level, we should have done more, or need to do more. I do agree that from a personal level, people could have done more, and need to be more careful. This includes wearing masks, avoiding touching people, washing hands, etc.. I think the long term solution for the virus is for people to be personally responsible for themselves to not get the virus and not spread the virus. Continuing to shut down business long term is not a solution.
Very true, but again, let's keep it in perspective. We've got 175 people hospitalized, 84 in ICU and 48 on a vent in the state. And yes, this is a highly communicable disease, so if your percentages are going down, you are on the right track. Adding 160 or whatever new cases on top of 2000 or so current cases is not a sign that things are not working. About two weeks ago we would have new daily cases and deaths adding at the 25-30% rate.
I think arguing about proper steps makes sense. But people are complaining about the steps because "we would be over this earlier" or because the peak is pushed back are arguing two opposite sides at the same time.
As for the deaths, the only argument really there is what should've been done to better lock down the long-term care facilities. For the rest of the general public, the death rate is what it is going to be until you overwhelm hospital facilities. That's what a population and a state can control as far as the outcome. Iowa isn't close to ICU, vent, or overall bed capacity. Not close. The rates of increase suggest that we're not going to overwhelm these resources. This has been the goal everywhere the whole time.
hospitals badly need to be bailed out. they have (by force or choice) canceled all elective surgeries / treatments which is their main source of revenue.
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