Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)
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This thread at 2:30 every day.
Yep, people complaining about the same thing being said in a press conference in a thread that argues the same same day after day.
I get it and I'm not dismissive of that. But if everyone is essential, then no one is and there's no point in bothering to keep a list. It seems like a real failure of planning that we treat something unique like a pandemic the same as any other crisis.
I could be wrong but I don't recall one appeal from Reynolds for employers to make every effort to send employees home, whether essential or not. She urges workers to work from home if they can, but not employers to send employees home, and just hides behind the essential workers guidance.
Just the slaughter plants and meat processing plants alone in the state involves a huge number of people. Those places aren't closing. Agriculture, and all it entails, has to keep going or we're all done. I honestly don't have any idea how many non essential people are still working outside their homes right now, but I'd think it's a pretty small number in comparison.
I wish there was more of an equation to define when to completely shut it down. But, I doubt that he knows how many available ventilators and beds we have in the state versus current numbers in hospitals. I want to think he has our best interest in mind, but the more he gains traction the stiffer his expectations are becoming (one of his latest comments was that we couldn't abandon SIP until there are no new cases and no new deaths which seems extreme to me).
That is one thing that I haven't heard from those locally calling for SIP: any numbers to support their stance. Frankly, I don't know that the growth rate of those hospitalized warrants it yet. IMO, if we get over 100(?) hospitalized with CVD19, it might be time to do more; with 280 available ventilators in the state, that should (might?) allow enough time to keep us under the limit.
To be fair, she said she had not seen their letter yet. That might make a difference if/when they have a conversation with her about it.
There's no point in trying to have any kind of rational conversation in this thread anymore, but I'll try to make a contribution.
Nothing will stop it except a vaccine and even then it'll still be somewhere because of course, some people will refuse to get vaccinated.
Maybe herd immunity a little if it's actually a thing for this.
Slowing it so the hospitals don't get smoked and adequate care can be provided is the goal I believe....but then it gets tricky for those waiting to get back to work.
At what point can they decide to at least 'sprinkle in' some of the work force? Do you have restaurants limit the amount of patrons? Factories go back to half staffed? Only allow those that have developed antibodies go back?
I'd like to see more info on how many of the hospitalized cases are in ICU, non-ICU, on vents, etc. I suppose that's too fluid though so we'll never see that data. Also if we've received any more vents than the 280 we started with.
True, but medical professionals are asked to save lives from COVID-19. They aren't ask to save lives from COVID-19 while trying to avoid massive long-term unemployment. I'm sure many consider it, as they are probably well aware that there are massive health and safety problems that arise from economic crises. However, that's not their immediate concern, and in a lot of ways that's someone else's problem.
More questions: Is this something where some people might just be in the hospital for one night just to keep a check on a symptom and go back the next day? Or are hospitals being more cautious and having longer stays? Are they not even receiving actual treatment besides keeping fluids going?
You can't figure that out yourself so you need her to say it? It's pretty self evident. This is simply politic driven complaining.
Even just the average length of stay for those admitted and discharged would be something.
The definitions of SIP that I have seen implemented strictly allow or disallow people to go into work based on whether or not their business is considered essential. Any worker that can work from home in an essential business is not by definition effected by SIP as has been typically been defined.
And right now your company is ignoring the governor's guidance that has been provided everyday - if your employees can work from home let them do so. And implementing SIP as it typically has been elsewhere wouldn't force your employer to let you work from home. It would say - you're in an essential business, so you can keep going to work.
Your employer is failing here. Failing massively.
Like you just said, and I have said a couple of times, follow the money.
btw, our governor here in Texas just called churches essential. Smdh.
she has a target audience. That doesn’t include all the citizens of her state.
She distributes a copy of the order, which is just "ThiS iS mY SheLteR in PLacE OrdER FOr THe StaTE OF IOwa" written in crayon.
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