This is why Prohm must go........

[83Clone]

Prohm has plenty of faults-this year's team was a major disappointment after beating Seton Hall in December and they never got any better. Clearly he has to turn this around next year or his seat is hotter than the sun.....but

The people who give him no credit for winning under Fred's players, because, well, Fred, and out of the other side of their mouth give Bruce Weber credit for turning Tyrese into an NBA player---those people need new hobbies.

By the way, Fred is currently getting worked by Minnesota and losing his 16th straight game

 

[CloneIce]

Yeah, all those guys earning professional paychecks really shows he can coach up players.

what a dishonest post.

or maybe you are another one that saw Nader as a draft pick after his jr year, saw Naz earning nba minutes, just knew Deonte was a pro player, and didn’t think Matt Thomas was a recruiting miss after his sophomore year where he didn’t play much?

There are a lot of things to criticize prohm over, players getting better isn’t one of them.

But I’m sure you gave him a fair chance.

Oh BS he hadn’t got a fair chance. His conference record with his own players is what.... 17 - 37? Last place, 5th place, and 9th place. That after he was handed a perennial Top 25 program with a great roster. He’s had plenty of chances.

I noticed you didn’t name a single player he recruited or a single player from the last 3 years. Thats pretty telling that your best argument for keeping him is “well Abdul Nader has a good year 5 years ago,”. You are really grasping for straws.

 

[Cat Stevens]

Oh BS he hadn’t got a fair chance. His conference record with his own players is what.... 17 - 37? Last place, 5th place, and 9th place. That after he was handed a perennial Top 25 program with a great roster. He’s had plenty of chances.

I noticed you didn’t name a single player he recruited or a single player from the last 3 years. Thats pretty telling that your best argument for keeping him is “well Abdul Nader has a good year 5 years ago,”. You are really grasping for straws.

Well maryal has played nba minutes. And of course talen too. Lindell is on a g league roster.

D jack is playing overseas. As is lard

Tyrese will be there next year.

but never let a fact get in your way.

 

[CloneIce]

Prohm has plenty of faults-this year's team was a major disappointment after beating Seton Hall in December and they never got any better. Clearly he has to turn this around next year or his seat is hotter than the sun.....but

The people who give him no credit for winning under Fred's players, because, well, Fred, and out of the other side of their mouth give Bruce Weber credit for turning Tyrese into an NBA player---those people need new hobbies.

By the way, Fred is currently getting worked by Minnesota and losing his 16th straight game

How in the world did you come to the conclusion that Hoiberg having a losing year in his first season at Nebraska has anything at all to do with assessing the job Prohm has done at ISU? It’s meaningless - grasping at straws to defend Prohms performance which is indefensible.

Edit - what in the world does Bruce Weber have to do with Tyreses development?

 

[CloneIce]

Well maryal has played nba minutes. And of course talen too. Lindell is on a g league roster.

D jack is playing overseas. As is lard

Tyrese will be there next year.

but never let a fact get in your way.

The facts support my position. We were a whopping .500 team in conference with those guys in Prohms peak year. I noticed you dodged addressing Prohms actual record.

Why do you think a bunch of talented guys playing in the G league or overseas supports your position that Prohm can coach at the level we need and is the right coach for the ISU program? It’s also dumb as hell to act like Prohm is some player development guru and then use freaking THT and Lard as examples.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

How in the world did you come to the conclusion that Hoiberg having a losing year in his first season at Nebraska has anything at all to do with assessing the job Prohm has done at ISU? It’s meaningless - grasping at straws to defend Prohms performance which is indefensible.

The only reason it is considered "meaningless" is because it's not 16 straight wins.

 

[Cat Stevens]

How in the world did you come to the conclusion that Hoiberg having a losing year in his first season at Nebraska has anything at all to do with assessing the job Prohm has done at ISU? It’s meaningless - grasping at straws to defend Prohms performance which is indefensible.

Because you work so hard to diminish what he did accomplish.

imagine being a parent of a kid who really likes the coaches and is thinking about going to Iowa State to play seeing this nonsense.

 

[kingcy]

Today’s starting lineup is the worst I’ve ever seen at ISU.

Did you miss the McDermott years?

 

[Rabbuk]

Because you work so hard to diminish what he did accomplish.

imagine being a parent of a kid who really likes the coaches and is thinking about going to Iowa State to play seeing this nonsense.

I'd rather imagine winning.

 

[Cat Stevens]

The facts support my position. We were a whopping .500 team in conference with those guys in Prohms peak year. I noticed you dodged addressing Prohms actual record.

Why do you think a bunch of talented guys playing in the G league or overseas supports your position that Prohm can coach at the level we need and is the right coach for the ISU program? It’s also dumb as hell to act like Prohm is some player development guru and then use freaking THT and Lard as examples.

So you’re not going to actually accept that players got better playing for him, because they were recruited by the last coach.

yet shayock doesn’t count. THT playing for him and being a draft pick doesn’t count. Lard through all his problems off the court making money does not count.

Donovan jackson playing for two years and making a living overseas doesn’t count.

Does Deonte Burton count? He never played a second for Fred. Or do we have to change the criteria to diminish that as well?

 

[Cat Stevens]

I'd rather imagine winning.

shocking you don’t see the direct correlation

 

[kingcy]

The facts support my position. We were a whopping .500 team in conference with those guys in Prohms peak year. I noticed you dodged addressing Prohms actual record.

Why do you think a bunch of talented guys playing in the G league or overseas supports your position that Prohm can coach at the level we need and is the right coach for the ISU program? It’s also dumb as hell to act like Prohm is some player development guru and then use freaking THT and Lard as examples.

Prohm would have basically got a pass on this year if those players would have made a Sweet 16 run last year. Over the last 10 years ISU has had a lot of talent that underachieved in the Tourney.

 

[kingcy]

A huge problem with this program is there is only one 4 year ISU player on the team, and one 3 year player (who struggles). Next year it isn't going to be much different, with there being maybe two 3 year players and maybe one 4 year and one 5th year player. Hell there will only be two 2nd year players on the team. Its not a about coaching right now its about roster management. Coaches will have misses, every coach does (yes even Fred did), but for every 2 misses you have to hit on 1 player, and keep him in your program.

 

[CloneIce]

The only reason it is considered "meaningless" is because it's not 16 straight wins.

How would either outcome impact an assessment of Prohms performance at ISU?

 

[CYEATHAWK]

A huge problem with this program is there is only one 4 year ISU player on the team, and one 3 year player (who struggles). Next year it isn't going to be much different, with there being maybe two 3 year players and maybe one 4 year and one 5th year player. Hell there will only be two 2nd year players on the team. Its not a about coaching right now its about roster management. Coaches will have misses, every coach does (yes even Fred did), but for every 2 misses you have to hit on 1 player, and keep him in your program.

Probably should have tied up THT and hid him in the closet for the summer.

 

[Cycl1]

Did you miss the McDermott years?

McDermott teams won more than this one. This team needs to win two more games to match McDermott's worse win total. They have already exceeded his worst loss total.

 

[CloneIce]

Prohm would have basically got a pass on this year if those players would have made a Sweet 16 run last year. Over the last 10 years ISU has had a lot of talent that underachieved in the Tourney.

Yes, if Prohm had been a more successful coach here it would help his case. You could say that hypothetical about any coach in the nation.

 

[CYEATHAWK]

How would either outcome impact an assessment of Prohms performance at ISU?

You're kidding?

 

[CloneIce]

So you’re not going to actually accept that players got better playing for him, because they were recruited by the last coach.

yet shayock doesn’t count. THT playing for him and being a draft pick doesn’t count. Lard through all his problems off the court making money does not count.

Donovan jackson playing for two years and making a living overseas doesn’t count.

Does Deonte Burton count? He never played a second for Fred. Or do we have to change the criteria to diminish that as well?

Basketball players are supposed to improve during their college career! That is a baseline expectation. You don’t get a gold star for that. Especially when there have been too many players who haven’t improved or were outright recruiting misses.

Your argument that a handful of players meeting a standard expectation of improvement over their careers means Prohm is great at player development is... baffling, to say the least.

 

[CloneIce]

You're kidding?

No. Tell me specifically how Hoiberg record in Year 1 at Nebraska changes your evaluation of Prohms performance in 5 seasons at ISU.