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CyHans

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This is not me being disrespectful towards you, but there are people whose job is to find talent and evaluate them, and they have Halliburton as a high draft pick. For the most part, they usually know what they're talking about.
Ya I agree, I was saying it tongue in cheek.
 

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This got me to thinking so I looked at the three point shooting numbers. Keep in mind that the overall numbers include all games (including conference) while conference is (obviously) just conference games. Note also that when looking at trends, the Auburn game was right in the middle of the conference games played thus far. I'll list any notables from the Auburn game as well.

Player...Non Con...Conference
TEAM .317 (163-514) .325 (62-191) [Auburn 7-27]
Haliburton .423 (30-71) .404 (19-47) [Auburn 2-5]
Bolton .276 (16-58) .422 (19-45) [Auburn 2-7]
Jacobson .308 (8-26) .286 (2-7) [Auburn 0-1]
Nixon .268 (19-71) .133 (4-30) [Auburn 2-6]
Griffin .296 (8-27) .400 (4-10) [Auburn 1-3]
Lewis ..461 (6-13) .111 (1-9) [Auburn 0-2]
Grill .250 (4-16) .077 (1-13) [Auburn 0-3]
Jackson .273 (9-33) .423 (11-26)
Young .000 (0-1) .500 (1-2)

So the players with the biggest drops since conference play started (conf + Auburn) are:
Lewis .545 to .091 -.454
Grill .308 to .063 -.245
Nixon .262 to .167 -.095
Jacobson .320 to .250 -.070

About the same:
TEAM .320 to .317 -.003
Haliburton .424 to .404 -.020

Biggest gains:
Jackson .273 to .423 +.150
Bolton .275 to .404 +.129
Griffin .292 to .385 +.093
Young .000 to .500 *insignificant sample size
There are some pretty terrifying numbers on this list.... Although I do like to see Bolton's and Jackson's numbers going up. That gives me some optimism for next year
 

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Over under on games TH plays the rest of this season? I'll set the number at .5
 

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Sam Vecenie mock draft from the athletic

10. Phoenix Suns
Tyrese Haliburton | 6-5 guard | 19 years old, sophomore | Iowa State
 
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Sam Vecenie mock draft from the athletic
10. Phoenix Suns
Tyrese Haliburton | 6-5 guard | 19 years old, sophomore | Iowa State

Jay Bilas must not be keeping up with these mock drafts. During the Kentucky game last night he was asked who the top point guards in the country were- he rattled off about seven names, no mention of Tyrese.
 

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Really detailed scouting report on Tyrese. Weaknesses include isolation and pick & roll offense, and some defensive things. No real talk about draft position.

https://www.thestepien.com/2020/02/14/tyrese-haliburton-scouting-report/

That's a really interesting read for a basketball nerd. Highlights a couple interesting things.

His size, length, handle, vision and passing ability make him really strong in the PnR but I have always thought his almost reluctance to attack/score out of the PnR hampers him quite a bit. He's never going to be a score first guy I don't think, but if you compare him to say Monte I see Monte scoring just enough out of the PnR that defenses can't adjust their coverages, while with TH I feel like they can and we've seen that at times this year.

His shot/form used to be a concern in my eyes, but I've changed my opinion. First impression is that it's a really slow shot and he'll have trouble getting it off, but it's quicker than it appears. He doesn't have any trouble getting it off when a defender goes under a ball screen which makes it quick enough imo. I agree with the report that it's not a shot he's going to take off the dribble, but that's ok as long as he can shoot enough to keep a defender from going under the screen.

On the defensive side I take some of the comments with a little bit of a grain of salt. The main negatives on defense were in ball screens and closeouts. Our team closeouts and ball screen defense are a mess. He's got the physical tools and instincts to be good in both of those situations and with the right coaching should be strong in both cases. On the defensive end how much strength/mass he can add will be a key to his ceiling imo. If he can get enough mass to guard 1-3 he's got a huge value in the league. I think it's unlikely he can add enough to guard many 4s, but if he can then he is really something.
 

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If you follow the draft guys are getting drafted more on potential these days than someone who is ready to come in right away and be a star for the team. It used to be college juniors and seniors were the known commodities NBA teams were interested in but these 1 or 2 and done guys even if they can't help you right away they'll stash them on the bench or G league for a couple years and develop them. If they ever open it back up to HS again it could get even crazier.

The NBA has been drafting on “potential” for like two decades. I’d say they draft more on raw talent and measurables now. They are looking for non-prototypical body types playing at non-prototypical positions.

With the way the NBA is today skill can really shine through and teams don’t have to waste roster spots on an enforcer and a lumbering center to guard “Shaq” or other giants in the middle.
 

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The NBA has been drafting on “potential” for like two decades. I’d say they draft more on raw talent and measurables now. They are looking for non-prototypical body types playing at non-prototypical positions.

With the way the NBA is today skill can really shine through and teams don’t have to waste roster spots on an enforcer and a lumbering center to guard “Shaq” or other giants in the middle.

This is why Conditt was actually on some draft boards a few weeks ago and Garza wasn't. It's all on potential and being a certain size that the NBA looks for. They like Conditt's skill set at the center position more than they do Garza.... it's just the way it is.
 
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This is why Conditt was actually on some draft boards a few weeks ago and Garza wasn't. It's all on potential and being a certain size that the NBA looks for. They like Conditt's skill set at the center position more than they do Garza.... it's just the way it is.

If it takes a guy 10 seconds to run down the court he probably doesn’t fit in a 24 second shot clock league.
 

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IMO he needs to come back and work on his game for the next two years then go to the NBA. But this just might be my own selfish desires speaking....
He could use Monte as an example and comeback and become a legend at his alma mater. Of course, the guaranteed money for being a lottery pick is huge 5.3-8.1 million per year would be tough to pass up. That kind of money sets you up for life if used wisely.
 
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