*** Official IOWA STATE Vs Oklahoma Game(Day) Thread ***

[CySmurf]

ala William Shatner in Celebrity video:

"I liked the end of that game"
"What part, the part where NIxon jumped and shot or that Jacobson rebound?"
"No, I liked he end of that game...the part where the Cyclones were done playing."

Well...they did play like $***.

 

[ISUTex]

2 years ago?

Two years ago ISU would freaking destroy this team.

 

[WastedTalent]

so was TH playing with contacts the whole time, or does he need them?

 

[mynameisjonas]

1970 something

BS my money is on those 1970’s teams.

 

[Cyfanisu]

yeah, something has to be done defensively with the coaching staff, this just can’t go on like this
One thing prohm has done, is fail to get consistent defensive effort out of his guys, just can’t play competitive basketball like this, he has to know this right?

Yes, but if we had a high octane offense (like in the last 4 years of FH and first 2 years of SP) it wouldn’t matter as much.

 

[CySmurf]

I'm afraid this team may lose out boys and girls.

 

[Cy$]

Glad Iowa State swapped basketball for baseball for a year.

 

[madguy30]

Bolton was also very bad.. I find it ironic that Penn State is having their best season in years, the first year after he bolts.

The grass was not greener.

 

[fsanford]

yeah, something has to be done defensively with the coaching staff, this just can’t go on like this
One thing prohm has done, is fail to get consistent defensive effort out of his guys, just can’t play competitive basketball like this, he has to know this right?

Coaches can be really stubborn, but he has got to figure 2 bad seasons in a row would be the end for him

 

[isutrevman]

unfortunately there is a bigger picture here. All of these players came here with successful high school careers, and several of them with good college play. Everyone is degressing instead of progressing

Haliburton, Young and Conditt are all improved this year. I could argue Lewis improved a little. Jacobson regressed. Everyone else is new and I don't know how anyone could determine whether they've improved OR regressed. The players didn't get worse, we just lost Shayock, Wigginton, Horton-Tucker and Babb (all 4 are playing professionally with 3 of them under NBA/G-league contracts) and replaced them with Nixon, Bolton (who is solid, but an inconsistent sophomore) and two freshman.

The only real disappointments for me have been Jacobson's regression and Griffin not making a jump.

 

[awd4cy]

Record wise 2001-2002 I think according to record....that team won 12 games.

I don't think this team wins 12 though...it would be the worst in about 40 years.

Someone will come in with 'But this team played in Atlantis and NOBODY wins in the Big 12!' but 10 wins is bad and bad is bad regardless of team or conference.

One could say we played a tough non conference, but the Big 12 blows this year outside of the top 4. We play 10 conference games again bad teams.

 

[SpokaneCY]

I've grown pretty accustomed to it by now, personally.

I'm even having a hard time even connecting with these players. I'm a sunshine guy but I'm really struggling to see the light.

I'll always support this program and I really respect CSP but man......

 

[fsanford]

The grass was not greener.

It was not, but I think there is something about him, the way he left etc.. Can't put my finger on it, he gets his points for sure, but....

 

[dirtyninety]

Agree, but we did finish 10th in the conference which is where we are headed this year....

10th place out of 12 teams in the Big12 is not last place! Things aren't that bad.

 

[cyatheart]

Yes, but if we had a high octane offense (like in the last 4 years of FH and first 2 years of SP) it wouldn’t matter as much.

correct, Fred sacrificed defensive matchups to have advantages offensively, not right Or wrong it’s just how his teams play

Steve is never going to have that luxury, Or if he does he’s not good enough to expose it on the fly, going to have to play defense, only way he can save it

 

[madguy30]

And the bottom half of the big 12 is down this year. Plenty of win opportunities if we didnt suck.

Yeah but it will still be like when ISU was winning 3 games in football and many blamed the schedule, then magically the schedule doesn't seem so daunting when you're somewhat decent.

ISU has totally flipped with Texas Tech in 5 years.

 

[bearcat92]

So Prohm decides to take out the only player that can score in the post (Young) right after he scores? Why??

Even earlier when Young was taken out early in the 2nd half and sat for an extended period. OU exploited the post and extended the lead. By the time he got back in, around or under 10 mins, game was decided. Was he in foul trouble? Gassed? Seemed like offense functioning better when he's in there and a scoring option. Why go away from that..

 

[awd4cy]

Agree, but we did finish 10th in the conference which is where we are headed this year....

Conference is way worse this year.

 

[alarson]

4th worst margin of loss to an unranked team since the beginning of the Wayne Morgan era.

Only worse games were

 

[huntt26]

Haliburton, Young and Conditt are all improved this year. I could argue Lewis improved a little. Jacobson regressed. Everyone else is new and I don't know how anyone could determine whether they've improved OR regressed. The players didn't get worse, we just lost Shayock, Wigginton, Horton-Tucker and Babb (all 4 are playing professionally with 3 of them under NBA/G-league contracts) and replaced them with Nixon, Bolton (who is solid, but an inconsistent sophomore) and two freshman.

The only real disappointments for me have been Jacobson's regression and Griffin not making a jump.

The lack of a serviceable 4 on this team really has a dramatic impact. Jacobsen and Zion struggle quite a bit on both ends of the floor.