CF STAFF CHAT: Discussing the Iowa loss and season outlook

[Fitzy]

Here's a peek inside the CF Slack discussion. Enjoy.

https://cyclonefanatic.com/2019/12/cf-staff-chat-discussing-the-iowa-loss-and-season-outlook/

 

[CloniesForLife]

"They’re one of the 15 worst shooting teams in college basketball and yet they rank in the top-85 in 3-point attempts. Something does not add up there."

That is a big yikes and needs to be corrected.

 

[herbicide]

"They’re one of the 15 worst shooting teams in college basketball and yet they rank in the top-85 in 3-point attempts. Something does not add up there."

That is a big yikes and needs to be corrected.

 

[VeloClone]

Not much to disagree with in that analysis. Yes, they were very bad last night. But they also demonstrated (Sunday) that they can win even with their poor 3 point shooting - with driving, defense and transition. The effort they put forth last night isn't going to get it done on any night, though.

 

[jpete24]

"Williams: This team can still get into the NCAA Tournament. That should be the goal. Just get in."

I think Chris should be looking at the rest of the schedule and the "odds" of this right now. If we win the rest of the non-conf and lose to Auburn, we need to go 13-5 in the B12 to be 21-10 going into the B12 tourney. 13-5 is going to be massive to overcome.

 

[CloniesForLife]

"Williams: This team can still get into the NCAA Tournament. That should be the goal. Just get in."

I think Chris should be looking at the rest of the schedule and the "odds" of this right now. If we win the rest of the non-conf and lose to Auburn, we need to go 13-5 in the B12 to be 21-10 going into the B12 tourney. 13-5 is going to be massive to overcome.

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If we are 8-5 in all our non-con games we do not need to go 13-5 in conference play to make the tourney. 9-9 and we are probably on the wrong side of the bubble, 10 wins on the right side of the bubble, and 11 wins safely in.

 

[BryceC]

Why would we need to be 21-10? Baylor and OU were 19-13 last year and both got #9 seeds. Not even close to the bubble? 19 is the probable number we need.

 

[jsb]

"Williams: This team can still get into the NCAA Tournament. That should be the goal. Just get in."

I think Chris should be looking at the rest of the schedule and the "odds" of this right now. If we win the rest of the non-conf and lose to Auburn, we need to go 13-5 in the B12 to be 21-10 going into the B12 tourney. 13-5 is going to be massive to overcome.

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we don’t need to be 21-10 going into the tournament. If we are 21-10 we are probably a six seed or better.

for all of the experts on here, most of you have no clue how modern day NCAA selection works.

 

[rochclone]

18-13 and 10-8 to get in. Probably need a win in the Big 12 as well.

 

[BACyclone]

I also agreed with the comment at the end about defending the home court better, just from a pure fan perspective. The natives need home wins.

Logistically, wins are precious (as noted above) and home wins should be easier. The team MUST pick the low hanging fruit (home wins) and battle with defense to grab some of those needed wins on the road. That will get you the "minimum" 10-8 conference record.

 

[MJN]

My whole thing is for the past couple years they say the correct things after the game. "Defense, Toughness, Intensity, etc" but nothing really changes. At some point the words are becoming empty. How do you not come out ready to play last night? Baffling.

 

[madguy30]

Interesting that the whole discussion is pertaining to the specific game last night.

Last night's loss isn't about just last night, if that makes sense.

Did anyone bring anything up pertaining to trends over multiple seasons?

CW brought up how ISU needs to be the 'nastiest, grittiest' etc....that's roughly what CSP said two seasons ago in a season when they weren't the nastiest, grittiest team and had a losing record.

At some point the foundation needs to be more than emotional.

 

[jpete24]

Do your own math. Here is teh

18-13 and 10-8 to get in. Probably need a win in the Big 12 as well.

How strong is the Big 12 this year? I’m not sure we’re going to get as many teams in as people think.

 

[acoustimac]

I find it interesting that everyone makes a big deal of beating Seton Hall while forgetting they lost one of their top scorers and post early in the game. HUGE difference. Excuses can be made, but this is just not a very good team and we may have to feel good about a 16-15 record. It’s quite possible it will be worse.

 

[Al_4_State]

Anyone who thinks this team is dancing is out of their god damned mind. 5 years from now, last night will be remembered as the beginning of Steve Prohm's end at ISU.

We're not even going .500. This is the worst ISU team since McDermott.

 

[Die4Cy]

CF Slack chat definitely had a different vibe than the forums after a loss to the Hawkeyes. Good stuff.

 

[kingcy]

This team has its issue but as bad as it has played at times they still have had a shot in every game. If they start playing smarter they have a chance.

The biggest issue with last night and this season is the shot selection at times. They took too many bad shots in the first 10 min. Jake is a bad 3point shooter, he may think he is a good shooter out there but the stats don't back it up. Young cannot hit shots outside 10 feet. They need to stop taking those shots.

I think the team played better with Bolton running point and Haliburton running around trying to get open, in their set offense.

You wont see me tough on CSP much but one of his biggest weaknesses seems to be the dealing with the lineup. We saw it last year and it is seems to be the same this. Sometimes a shakeup is needed, sometimes it is time to put a different player in the starting line up. The same lineup and substation pattern doesn't always work game to game.

 

[Gossamer]

control-F Haliburton...not one mention. Our best player...not one mention. Weird.

 

[Fitzy]

control-F Haliburton...not one mention. Our best player...not one mention. Weird.

Now do it again with Tyrese.

 

[Gossamer]

Now do it again with Tyrese.

well, F...so they mentioned him thrice. I missed it...my bad.