Help! I'm Fat - *** Official Exercise and Weight Thread ***

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That is what we’ve been lead to believe, but it seems we don’t. If you stop feeding your body carbs, your body naturally transitions to using fat instead as an energy source.

From my understanding, our ancestors thrived on eating meat they hunted and only deferred to other sources (e.g….berries) if needed. Depending on what part of the world they lived, meat would have been the only food source during much of the year given the weather. (The Inuit people (i.e…Eskimos) of northern Canada still eat this way.) They’d most likely have gorged themselves upon a successful hunt, and then not needed to eat for days after. I believe this is why people are finding benefits today with intermittent fasting…by necessity, we evolved over thousands of years with our bodies not expecting to be feed as often as we do today.

I get the premise and personally I've focused on at least not eating much for a couple of days after a 'big' day....but wasn't the life expectancy back then like 13 years too? :)
 

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I agree with a lot of people in this thread, giving up pop and candy was hard for me at first. But can really jump start weight loss.(kids Halloween candy is my weakness) But now I feel like crap when i have to much sugar. My biggest thing with diets is stay away from any fad diet, or any that require you to purchase pills, shakes, or pre packaged food. I don't think any of those are sustainable. In 5 years are you going to want to still be taking some crappy tasting shake? Its a lifestyle change. Make changes that can realistically be sustained for the long term.
I've been running/biking for about 2 years. The app Strava has really helped keep me accountable and pushing myself. If i see my wife or friend run a longer than normal or fast pace it pushes me to want to do better.

Would anyone be interested in a CF group on Strava? A little extra encouragement from like minded people can only help right.
 
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I get the premise and personally I've focused on at least not eating much for a couple of days after a 'big' day....but wasn't the life expectancy back then like 13 years too? :)

Life expectancy statistics are often misunderstood (and thus, misused)

Because of medical advances, the infant mortality rate is tremendously lower today (i.e….a lot of deaths at younger ages really hurts the overall life expectancy number) and we’re also able to treat some diseases that in the past that used to be fatal.

The reality is, if a person made it out of infancy, didn’t die from what is considered a curable disease (or due to unsanitary conditions) they lived just as long, or longer, then we do today. You can find a lot written about this if interested.

“There is a basic distinction between life expectancy and life span,” says Stanford University historian Walter Scheidel, a leading scholar of ancient Roman demography. “The life span of humans – opposed to life expectancy, which is a statistical construct – hasn’t really changed much at all, as far as I can tell.”

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...ncient-people-live-life-span-versus-longevity
 

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That is what we’ve been lead to believe, but it seems we don’t. If you stop feeding your body carbs, your body naturally transitions to using fat instead as an energy source.

From my understanding, our ancestors thrived on eating meat they hunted and only deferred to other sources (e.g….berries) if needed. Depending on what part of the world they lived, meat would have been the only food source during much of the year given the weather. (The Inuit people (i.e…Eskimos) of northern Canada still eat this way.) They’d most likely have gorged themselves upon a successful hunt, and then not needed to eat for days after. I believe this is why people are finding benefits today with intermittent fasting…by necessity, we evolved over thousands of years with our bodies not expecting to be feed as often as we do today.

If you aren't smashing bones with a rock to get to the marrow I am not sure you are doing this right. :rolleyes:
 

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Life expectancy statistics are often misunderstood (and thus, misused)

Because of medical advances, the infant mortality rate is tremendously lower today (i.e….a lot of deaths at younger ages really hurts the overall life expectancy number) and we’re also able to treat some diseases that in the past that used to be fatal.

The reality is, if a person made it out of infancy, didn’t die from what is considered a curable disease (or due to unsanitary conditions) they lived just as long, or longer, then we do today. You can find a lot written about this if interested.

“There is a basic distinction between life expectancy and life span,” says Stanford University historian Walter Scheidel, a leading scholar of ancient Roman demography. “The life span of humans – opposed to life expectancy, which is a statistical construct – hasn’t really changed much at all, as far as I can tell.”

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/...ncient-people-live-life-span-versus-longevity

Was speaking in sarcasm but good info regardless!
 
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If you aren't smashing bones with a rock to get to the marrow I am not sure you are doing this right. :rolleyes:

LOL….I follow a couple groups on FB and listen to a related podcast. You’ll read/hear people doing a lot of “crazy” stuff. Some will chew on bones (to get to the marrow), some believe we were meant to eat “head to tail” (so you can imagine what all they are consuming), etc. I’m not so adventurous myself.
 

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I've had Crohns disease for 50 years now. Mostly been limited to the terminal ileum (end of small intestine). I am unlucky to have it but lucky to not have gotten REALLY sick from it. One a scale of minor to severe I'll generally been in the moderate range. Had surgery on that in 1988. Gotten along petty well most of the time but maybe to the point where I need to have a small section removed again. Just had an intestinal MRI and that showed inflammation and scarring in only a 2" section in the same spot it always is. When it's good I can eat most anything. When it's bad it really just doesn't seem to matter what I eat to mitigate. That's based on 50 years experience messing with what I eat.

Was on the immune suppressant Azathioprine for years but it's not a great drug for an old dude to be on that long so doc switched to me Remicade infusions this year. Insurance won't pay for Humira. Neither is cheap.

Been seeing the same specialist since 1982. Talk about health care continuity. He's older than me and is retiring at end of year. Going to need to break in a new doc. :rolleyes:


That stinks that your insurance won't cover humira. In the beginning I had to pay around $150/mo, but then my insurance network improved, so it's covered now. It's a bit crazy, because I grew up with hardly ever being sick, no broken bones, nothing drastic. I was extremely fortunate.

I also find it strange that I'm supposed to be immuno-compromised, but I still haven't gotten sick the past 2 years. At most, a sniffle for a day or two. Guess my immune system is over active.
 

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Just proving you guys that I'm not all talk. Got my boxing heavy bag set up tonight. Gloves came in the mail. Gonna start my Fight Camp training tomorrow and will post progress right here with you all. Yes, that's the bag in my office! I moved the treadmill in there too. Gotta have a place to burn off steam I guess!

I really need to get mine put back up in my basement. Ever since I moved, the bag hasn't been put back up. It'd be nice to take out some aggression on a bag again.
 

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That stinks that your insurance won't cover humira. In the beginning I had to pay around $150/mo, but then my insurance network improved, so it's covered now. It's a bit crazy, because I grew up with hardly ever being sick, no broken bones, nothing drastic. I was extremely fortunate.

I also find it strange that I'm supposed to be immuno-compromised, but I still haven't gotten sick the past 2 years. At most, a sniffle for a day or two. Guess my immune system is over active.

I've not seen any change plus or minus for colds/flu like stuff. Think the real risk (minor) is for more serious stuff like some cancers. All of the biologics are uber expensive and lots of insurances have a gradiented treatment scale before they will cover them. My BC/BS has a "you have to try Remicade first" deal. What that means is while Remicade is expensive Humira is REALLY expensive. Straight up cash American for Humera is $60K year and Remicade is $30K if you were paying for it all out of your own pocket. And, of course, the cost from the drug suppliers is going up every year (a lot). My co-pay seems to vary from 10% to 20% depending on where they seem to classify the drug. It's a ******* racket.
 
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I've not seen any change plus or minus for colds/flu like stuff. Think the real risk (minor) is for more serious stuff like some cancers. All of the biologics are uber expensive and lots of insurances have a gradiented treatment scale before they will cover them. My BC/BS has a "you have to try Remicade first" deal. What that means is while Remicade is expensive Humira is REALLY expensive. Straight up cash American for Humera is $60K year and Remicade is $30K if you were paying for it all out of your own pocket. And, of course, the cost from the drug suppliers is going up every year (a lot). My co-pay seems to vary from 10% to 20% depending on where they seem to classify the drug. It's a ******* racket.

$60k a year for that? Definitely agree, I'd look for real solutions as opposed to treating the symptoms.

It's a ******* racket.
It's a ******* racket.
It's a ******* racket.
 

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Speaking of food, and we are, here's what this old senior dude ate last night. Seemed pretty healthy, less the unusual (for me) use of brown sugar in cooking the squash. BTW, straight up pork lion, not the lions that Hormel sells prepacked/marinated with a freakin' periodic table of **** injected and marinated into it. I am not obsessed with avoiding processed stuff but these are sitting almost side-by-side in the meat cooler so why not pick the 100% unadulterated pig lion**

Thread is inspiring me to eat a little better, not that I am a yuge slacker or have an unhealthy diet but thread is nevertheless a good reminder for me. 20191028_160724-COLLAGE CF scale.jpg


** Okay, not withstanding whatever the hog itself was injected/exposed to but why add even more? :oops:
 

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$60k a year for that? Definitely agree, I'd look for real solutions as opposed to treating the symptoms.

It's a ******* racket.
It's a ******* racket.
It's a ******* racket.

The treatment is not a racket. Your "real solutions" comments is more of the uniformed nonsense I mentioned in an earlier post. Some of the new drugs are a life-changer for people with this. My comment on "the racket" is the pricing. Like how a drug costs X and than it's 10X a few years later.
 
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Speaking of food, and we are, here's what this old senior dude ate last night. Seemed pretty healthy, less the unusual (for me) use of brown sugar in cooking the squash. BTW, straight up pork lion, not the lions that Hormel sells prepacked/marinated with a freakin' periodic table of **** injected and marinated into it. I am not obsessed with avoiding processed stuff but these are sitting almost side-by-side in the meat cooler so why not pick the 100% unadulterated pig lion**

Thread is inspiring me to eat a little better, not that I am a yuge slacker or have an unhealthy diet but thread is nevertheless a good reminder for me. View attachment 67950


** Okay, not withstanding whatever the hog itself was injected/exposed to but why add even more? :oops:

Nice (although not for me personally and I suggest others too that might experience negative effects from consuming certain veggies). Broccoli used to always give me issues next day back when I ate it regularly. It would tear me up today if I tried eating it now. As funny as it sounds, you lose your tolerance (similar to when you stop drinking for a period of time) when you remove certain foods from your diet and then re-introduce them later.


This would have been a pretty typical meal for me before I went full blown carnivore. No breads/grains – just meat and veggies. I think it is a good place for many to start to see what benefits that brings them. I think that is why my transition to all meat was easier for me than many I hear and read about that start from a SAD (Standard American Diet) and try to make the drastic change to zero carbs.
 

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Nice (although not for me personally and I suggest others too that might experience negative effects from consuming certain veggies). Broccoli used to always give me issues next day back when I ate it regularly. It would tear me up today if I tried eating it now. As funny as it sounds, you lose your tolerance (similar to when you stop drinking for a period of time) when you remove certain foods from your diet and then re-introduce them later.


This would have been a pretty typical meal for me before I went full blown carnivore. No breads/grains – just meat and veggies. I think it is a good place for many to start to see what benefits that brings them. I think that is why my transition to all meat was easier for me than many I hear and read about that start from a SAD (Standard American Diet) and try to make the drastic change to zero carbs.

Not to belabor the question: but how does your body respond to the lack of fiber from fruits/veggies? I know what happens to me when my diet is dominated by meat for even just one day.
 

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Not to belabor the question: but how does your body respond to the lack of fiber from fruits/veggies? I know what happens to me when my diet is dominated by meat for even just one day.

I suppose you could take supplements. But that's a lot of Benefiber. And I'm sorry if I missed it but where are the complex carbs coming from?
 
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Not to belabor the question: but how does your body respond to the lack of fiber from fruits/veggies? I know what happens to me when my diet is dominated by meat for even just one day.

What you experience in one day in addition to not only eating meat, really doesn't tell you anything as far as how your body will respond long term.

As I've mentioned, it takes your body time to adapt. For some people it is a few weeks, for some it is a few months. Everyone is different, so I am only speaking for me.

I used to be a guaranteed two BMs daily....sometimes 3.

Once I was zero carb adapted, I was only going every other day....some times once in 3 days. This was a major change for me.

You simply don't have the waste you do on a more standard diet. Your body uses almost everything you consume. You are eating very clean. Gas, bloating, etc....all gone.

https://www.kevinstock.io/health/do-you-need-fiber/
 
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I suppose you could take supplements. But that's a lot of Benefiber. And I'm sorry if I missed it but where are the complex carbs coming from?

Not necessary. Meat will provide you want your body needs. It is really amazing to experience firsthand. That is the main knock on Vegetarianism and Veganism. They have to heavily supplement. That said, most (Including myself) use generous amounts of Pink Himalayan salt and/or Real Salt (brand name) on our meat. Seems to help provide nutrients needed to avoid muscle cramps. Also works well in water if you are trying to do periodical intermittent fasting.
 
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Having a tin foil hat moment and wondering if anyone knows more in depth than the typical google searched article.

I've deliberately cut intake of daily calories the last several weeks, and don't notice any lack of energy etc.

Is the recommended 2000+ calories a day a way to get people to buy bad/calorie dense food?

Diets I've seen seem to basically say to cut portions of whatever food is recommended, i.e. meat being palm sized, a handful of almonds, etc.

Just thoughts....I know everyone is different but 2400 calories seems like a LOT and I at least walk roughly 4 miles/day so I don't feel like I'm sedentary.
 

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I know everyone is different but 2400 calories seems like a LOT and I at least walk roughly 4 miles/day so I don't feel like I'm sedentary.
https://www.reddit.com/r/1200isplenty/

While not a proponent of any particular "one-size-fits-all" approach (including the one linked above), I can anecdotally observe that daily calorie restriction to half or less of the "recommended" amount has been highly successful - and surprisingly sustainable - for me personally on my weight loss journey. Coupled with carb reduction and limitations on added sugar intake, I have enjoyed significant health improvement over the past 5 months.
 
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