Iowa State and Iowa issue joint statement on marching bands

[Frak]

Our band better have body cams on next year. I'm not joking.

Yeah, a couple of go pros would probably not be a bad idea. I think that this kind of behavior has been happening for years. I do believe that it's worse in IC, but there are bad ISU fans as well. But, a lot of this behavior is going to have some sunlight shed on it now that every single person is carrying their own movie camera. Back in 2000 when I was getting full beer cans thrown at me for walking down a sidewalk with a red shirt on, it could easily be shrugged off because there was no proof.

 

[cygrads]

Them and KCCI both. I'm losing faith in our media that Twitter users with fake names are now credible sources.

I've already lost faith in the national media and now local media is just following suit.

 

[Cycsk]

So we've basically concluded some kid tripped and fell on his tuba and hurt himself, right?

Mabye it was Randy Peterson's great grandson who tripped and hurt himself!

 

[ianoconnor]

The upside doesn't get him much (other than potentially embarrassing Barta), but if he goes down that road of waiting for details and something, even something minor coming out, then ISU is on the defensive again. It's just easier to make nice and move on.

Plus, we don't want to make Barta look TOO bad... Need to keep him employed over there.

 

[theshadow]

Barta's original press release was posted among the top 3 stories on the DMR website.
Today's "nothing to see here" release is currently posted as story #16.

Of course.

 

[Urbandale2013]

https://dailyiowan.com/2019/09/20/marching-band-allegations-from-cy-hawk-game-emerge/#image

 

[CloneLawman]

https://dailyiowan.com/2019/09/20/marching-band-allegations-from-cy-hawk-game-emerge/#image

“After collecting information Monday and Tuesday, we realized it would be difficult to verify details and elected to focus on moving forward toward future events,” Barta said.

 

[JP4CY]

I will say this, if ISU has some sort of legal settlement with a band member that's it for the bands traveling for this game. Shouldn't happen anymore.

A settlement would have had to happen quickly, word would have traveled fast, and wouldn't it eventually become open record?

 

[Urbandale2013]

“After collecting information Monday and Tuesday, we realized it would be difficult to verify details and elected to focus on moving forward toward future events,” Barta said.

That article is important because it’s the first actual allegation from band members that I’ve seen.

 

[somecyguy]

That article is important because it’s the first actual allegation from band members that I’ve seen.

I do have to question their truthfulness when they claim someone's ribs were broken by pushing, when we all know it happened when said person fell down through no fault of ISU fans.
If someone did throw a beer bottle, I would hope they get caught, as that's unacceptable, but why did this person wait to get on Facebook to complain and not mention it to the officials. He claims they were less visible, but I don't know what means. Regardless why wouldn't he immediately report it so they could either move fans away or the band to a more secure area.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I will say this, if ISU has some sort of legal settlement with a band member that's it for the bands traveling for this game. Shouldn't happen anymore.

I’ll say this, given the criminal acts against our band in Kinnick, acts that you’ll have to prove didn’t occur, we should not only stop sending them, but consider a civil case.

 

[Trice]

That article is important because it’s the first actual allegation from band members that I’ve seen.

But again, come back to what Pollard said the other day. No police reports. No mention of anything by numerous police officers who were directly escorting or around the band at various points. No mention of anything by the band directors who themselves met at the end of the evening.

The fact is, once Barta went public with nothing but vague accusations, he created an incentive for 1) Iowa fans to exaggerate or outright invent incidents - and spread them far and wide - to make ISU look bad, and 2) ISU fans not to believe any accusations, to make Iowa look bad. He opened up a huge vacuum for people to fill with whatever they want to believe, and that's what they did.

I read about this broken ribs thing but I also read that someone else witnessed it and said a band member tripped and fell on his own drum. Who the hell knows, and how can you assume anyone is telling the truth at this point if they aren't willing to file a police report or go on record with the media?

My theory remains the same as the other day when the joint press release came out. Yes something happened but once Barta was educated on how ISU fans/band members are treated in Iowa City he realized the Ames incident was pretty run-of-the-mill and backed off.

 

[Urbandale2013]

But again, come back to what Pollard said the other day. No police reports. No mention of anything by numerous police officers who were directly escorting or around the band at various points. No mention of anything by the band directors who themselves met at the end of the evening.

The fact is, once Barta went public with nothing but vague accusations, he created an incentive for 1) Iowa fans to exaggerate or outright invent incidents - and spread them far and wide - to make ISU look bad, and 2) ISU fans not to believe any accusations, to make Iowa look bad. He opened up a huge vacuum for people to fill with whatever they want to believe, and that's what they did.

I read about this broken ribs thing but I also read that someone else witnessed it and said a band member tripped and fell on his own drum. Who the hell knows, and how can you assume anyone is telling the truth at this point if they aren't willing to file a police report or go on record with the media?

My theory remains the same as the other day when the joint press release came out. Yes something happened but once Barta was educated on how ISU fans/band members are treated in Iowa City he realized the Ames incident was pretty run-of-the-mill and backed off.

I don’t necessarily believe them. I still think the tripping and falling is what actually happened but it is a public allegation from a band member. That does mean something.

I wouldn’t deem them real credible as on their Facebook post he seems to allege a lot of it happened after the game which I am pretty sure is false as we followed them out of the stadium and saw nothing other than the band antagonizing the fans.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Barta's original press release was posted among the top 3 stories on the DMR website.
Today's "nothing to see here" release is currently posted as story #16.

Of course.

Straight from the vintage hawkeye butthurt playbook.

I’d advocate for ISU issuing a press release that we’re looking into whether Barta acted appropriately in the days following the CyHawk.

 

[Trice]

I don’t necessarily believe them. I still think the tripping and falling is what actually happened but it is a public allegation from a band member. That does mean something.

I wouldn’t deem them real credible as on their Facebook post he seems to allege a lot of it happened after the game which I am pretty sure is false as we followed them out of the stadium and saw nothing other than the band antagonizing the fans.

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Part of it sounds like you believe them, part of it sounds like you don't.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Part of it sounds like you believe them, part of it sounds like you don't.

He doesn’t even know what to believe or not believe.

The only thing inappropriate is Barta’s behavior on this.

 

[Urbandale2013]

I'm not clear on what you're saying here. Part of it sounds like you believe them, part of it sounds like you don't.

I don’t believe them but I guess I’d be open to changing my opinion if there was actual evidence. My point is I don’t think this is going away like we hoped. It’s going to continue to be a news story.

 

[runbikeswim]

Exaggerating or making up stuff on Facebook publicly is a slippery slope for a student, and it could jeopardize a student's future in the band and at the University. It is published accusations now in a newspaper. We have all heard that the "ribs broken" was not incident related.

And on an off note, I'm completely sure that the band members (who in general in college athletics are notorious for heckling opposing teams and fans) where completely innocent and were just polite as punch. As polite as playing while the ISU band was playing.

Another off note, the interaction between the band and ISU fans in the article picture could not be more benign.

 

[Trice]

I don’t believe them but I guess I’d be open to changing my opinion if there was actual evidence. My point is I don’t think this is going away like we hoped. It’s going to continue to be a news story.

We'll see. With actual football being played tomorrow this should go away. If Iowa continues to beat this drum next week then I hope Pollard tells them, in so many words, to put up or shut up. Because right now they're trying to have it both ways - they want the public sympathy but they can't or won't offer anything to investigate.

 

[CloneLawman]

That article is important because it’s the first actual allegation from band members that I’ve seen.

im not debating the article's significance.