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Cyched

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This conference is going to implode and not exist in a couple years. Book it.

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Beyerball

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While I don’t agree with gunner view...we will find out in 3 years if OU stays and the big 12 lives.. it is entirely on OU...TX has no desire to go anywhere..why would they.

OU on other hand can pick SEC or BIG...I find it hard to imagine the BIG accepting OU academically but this is all about $$ and major realignment 2.0 goes thru Norman..

Come 2022/23 ish Rutgers will be making $55 mil+ and OU likely $10 mil less per year. That won’t sit well.

Big 12 needs OU and TX to be consistent top 15 teams over next 3-4 years and making playoffs more times than not. Otherwise the big 12 has little bargaining power.
 

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Not exactly sure.
While I don’t agree with gunner view...we will find out in 3 years if OU stays and the big 12 lives.. it is entirely on OU...TX has no desire to go anywhere..why would they.

OU on other hand can pick SEC or BIG...I find it hard to imagine the BIG accepting OU academically but this is all about $$ and major realignment 2.0 goes thru Norman..

Come 2022/23 ish Rutgers will be making $55 mil+ and OU likely $10 mil less per year. That won’t sit well.

Big 12 needs OU and TX to be consistent top 15 teams over next 3-4 years and making playoffs more times than not. Otherwise the big 12 has little bargaining power.


Big xii is supposed to be paying out 45MM like you said but tier three revenue is not added yet. OU is pushing 8-9MM right now with their tier 3s so they would the same or possibly better than Rutgers then.
 
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ArgentCy

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I still think the whole thing gets blown up in 2024-25. Too many contracts are all targeting that range. A break away from the NCAA seems likely and hopefully conferences are evened out and redivided by geography. Yes, this is more of a semi-pro design but that is what college is supposed to do, train young folks to become professionals. Most don't have the unique ability to bring in so much money while in the process.
 

ArgentCy

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Big xii is supposed to be paying out 45MM like you said but tier three revenue is not added yet. OU is pushing 8-9MM right now with their tier 3s so they would the same or possibly better than Rutgers then.

Any system where a school like Rutgers makes more money that a powerhouse like OU is an unstable system. That isn't sustainable.
 

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Wasn’t there talk of cooperation between the Big12 and Pac12? That makes sense since both conferences are West of the Mississippi and both trail the Big10 and SEC in revenue.

That was back when the future of the Big 12 was uncertain and we were looking for a sense of stability. Fast forward 5+ years and the Big 12 is fine and the Pac 12 is facing that uncertainty. The California teams, particularly Cal and Stanford, dictate what happens in that conference. The conference insists on having its headquarters in downtown San Francisco, which is about the most expensive option there is and is literally a drain on what would otherwise be further payouts to each member school. Further, there are whispers (however true they are or not) that certain member schools, particularly the Arizona schools and Colorado, would be open to moving to the Big 12 if the opportunity presented itself.
 

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OU on other hand can pick SEC or BIG...I find it hard to imagine the BIG accepting OU academically but this is all about $$ and major realignment 2.0 goes thru Norman..

Come 2022/23 ish Rutgers will be making $55 mil+ and OU likely $10 mil less per year. That won’t sit well.

Big 12 needs OU and TX to be consistent top 15 teams over next 3-4 years and making playoffs more times than not. Otherwise the big 12 has little bargaining power.

Bingo.
 

iowastatefan1929

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deace and miller just did a podcast remarking what great position big 12 was now in with its espn+ contract and how the conference is very stable for the first time in a long long time.
 

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Come 2022/23 ish Rutgers will be making $55 mil+

On paper, maybe. Their single-year deficit in 2017 (institutional subsidies + student fees + revenue shortage + loans against future earnings) was over $47 million. Their AD is horribly mismanaged when it comes to finances.
 

2speedy1

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That would seem like a much better deal for the PAC-12 than us.
You are right, but for some reason everyone outside of the Big 12 doesnt think so. They all still think they are so stable and the Big 12 has one foot in the grave and our only saving grace is if the Pac saves us. Makes absolutely no sense. I see it as the other way around.
 

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Or the Big12 could be proactive for once and actually expand, form divisions and renegotiate our contracts for a better deal. Like what everyone else is doing. Even with 10 teams we will soon be making 40mil per school, ahead of the ACC and Pac12.

I like this conference and I want to see it succeed. Only the B1G for ISU could possibly be a better option.

Go for it. Bring CU back, pick up Utah, BYU. Let WVU go to the ACC. They belong there with Pitt, UVA and VT. Get Arizona and Arizona State. Have a guaranteed cross division rival.

North:

Colorado
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Utah

South:

Arizona
Arizona State
BYU
Baylor
TCU
Texas Tech
Texas

Sure, this would fyck the Pac12 up but they can add Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, UNM or CSU for all I care. It annoys me that we are sitting here waiting for sh!t to happen.

Now the Big14 can have as much say as the SEC or B1G on a national stage. Beat them to the punch.

Wishful thinking but just a thought.
 
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Cydkar

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While I don’t agree with gunner view...we will find out in 3 years if OU stays and the big 12 lives.. it is entirely on OU...TX has no desire to go anywhere..why would they.

OU on other hand can pick SEC or BIG...I find it hard to imagine the BIG accepting OU academically but this is all about $$ and major realignment 2.0 goes thru Norman..

Come 2022/23 ish Rutgers will be making $55 mil+ and OU likely $10 mil less per year. That won’t sit well.

Big 12 needs OU and TX to be consistent top 15 teams over next 3-4 years and making playoffs more times than not. Otherwise the big 12 has little bargaining power.

How sustainable is the B10 Network situation? Honest question. How does that go when fleecing non-viewers dies out with cable/satellite? The B10 will always have a money stream from somewhere, don't get me wrong, but just wondering.
 

Cydkar

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deace and miller just did a podcast remarking what great position big 12 was now in with its espn+ contract and how the conference is very stable for the first time in a long long time.
Well, Deace is smart so that makes me feel good. Miller agreeing with him does raise some concerns, however.
 

Clonehomer

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How sustainable is the B10 Network situation? Honest question. How does that go when fleecing non-viewers dies out with cable/satellite? The B10 will always have a money stream from somewhere, don't get me wrong, but just wondering.

That's a good question. The cable model relies on population, which the Big10 footprint has. A streaming model relies on actual viewers willing to spend money to get it. While there are some loyal fanbases in the Big10, those metro areas that give them so much money now probably aren't as reliable going forward.