An objective (as it gets) outlook at the game

mkadl

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They could have been better, but one example of many, was Wesson pushing Lard off with his arm, Lard still making a clean block on the ball and the officials calling Lard for the foul. The officials took away ISU's ability to play defense on him.


When the announcers point out 3 (that I can remember) incorrect calls and confirmed by replay, that is rare. All against ISU. Most of the time they ignore bad calls. Is that bad luck or a bad job by officials? It does affect player emotions and behavior. There is little a coach can do to change that after it is called.
 

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This has been a hard team to watch all year. If they’re not heaving in a dozen 3 pointers, they are just lost in the half court offense.
Why is that?

When you are ahead in a game, and you have open shots, a good 3-point shooting team can expect to make 40% of the shots. When you are an average team, behind, and defended you can expect to make 25%. This late in the season, simply, no coaching excuse for not having set offensive plays that the team can execute.
 
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mattyheiden

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Iowa State was unable to defend the post consistently. Wesson owned us inside. Jacobson did not play well. Thought Lard did okay offensively and sometimes okay defensively. THT played very poorly. Bad shots and bad decisions. Shayok and Wiggington kept us in the game. Couple of very bad calls.

THT definitely is not ready for the NBA. Wiggington should stay as well IMO.

Kaleb Wesson is 19 years old, he's not ready for the NBA either.
 

FinalFourCy

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Sometimes when playing young players, there are bumps in the road.
We weren’t that young or inexperienced respective to the competition. This isn’t the 1980s college basketball.

But if you’re suggesting we need the oldest, most experienced, and most talented roster to go better than .500 in conference, you could be correct.
 

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We weren’t that young or inexperienced respective to the competition. This isn’t the 1980s college basketball.

But if you’re suggesting we need the oldest, most experienced, and most talented roster to go better than .500 in conference, you could be correct.

It does take time for young players to figure things out. Like it or not. You cannot expect them to go out there game in game out and act like they have been there done that.
 

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Game long execution issues are often reflective of coaching.

I gave you a winner. The 2012 Liberty Bowl was also the result and product of assistant coaches that were retained and endorsed....another year....then Mangino....
Have a good spring break.
 

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It does take time for young players to figure things out. Like it or not. You cannot expect them to go out there game in game out and act like they have been there done that.
Again, like it or not, we weren’t young or inexperienced compared to others.
The difference was largely coaching. Hopefully it gets better. Prohm is inexperienced compared to most of the Big 12.
 

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Again, like it or not, we weren’t young or inexperienced compared to others.
The difference was largely coaching. Hopefully it gets better. Prohm is inexperienced compared to most of the Big 12.

Prohm is inexperienced. He started at Murry who is basically the KU of the conference.
Now hes having to compete every single game to maintain a spot in the pack.
Hopefully he can continue to get better, another year of the players together should help, but he has to become better with set plays. Cant count on letting the guys just play basketball to be consistent.
 
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It does take time for young players to figure things out. Like it or not. You cannot expect them to go out there game in game out and act like they have been there done that.
Example of what you can expect on a well coached team: at this point in the season THT should have a better idea of how to play team offense and not still be shooting empty 3s at 24 seconds in the shot clock.
 
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kcbob79clone

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Coach didn't draw up 15 empty positions in a row. If you make 6 points of those you win.

I've waded in the cesspool of some of the other threads and was dismayed by the negativity. Adjustments were made against Wesson (double teams and switched to zone). Wesson just had a good night and it wasn't our night, happens in March. Let's move on.
 
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When the announcers point out 3 (that I can remember) incorrect calls and confirmed by replay, that is rare. All against ISU. Most of the time they ignore bad calls. Is that bad luck or a bad job by officials? It does affect player emotions and behavior. There is little a coach can do to change that after it is called.

Even more surprising since Jim Jackson (former OSU player) was in there too.
 
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Agreed. I think there is something positive when a coach shows composure and not letting calls dictate their attitude, but composure doesn’t always get the job done. Composure looks like weakness in pivotal moments, and too often, Prohm just standing there is infuriating. He needs to read the moment better and be willing to have emotion when it’s called. Other coaches have proven it can pay off.

Yeah, why can't he yell and scream like Fred used to do? Oh yeah, I forgot Fred didn't either.
 

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We played like crap and lost, it does not help that the 50/50 calls all went against ISU, and the refs missed at least 3 calls.
The thing about this tournament is there are about 6 teams that can get by having an off night, and we are not one of those 6. The rest of the teams can play with anyone when they are on, and can lose to anyone when they are not.
We saw the pattern all season long in our losses, shoot a low percentage from 3, take quick shots instead of working the ball around, and play halfass defense at best.

For some reason this team just never jelled and played to its strengths, in the Big 12 tourney, we play one great game against Baylor, one ok game against a hurt KSU squad and then a solid workman effort against KU. But in all those games the 3's were falling.

Last thing, I really hate the displacement at the center position, The big guy from OSU kept bumping us when the ISU posts was in a legal defensive position. I see this move in the NBA all the time and I hate it. You should get one bump, into the defensive players, the second one should be a foul. No more backing the defender down in the post ala Shak.
 

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Yet, despite all that, Coach was good enough to have us still "this close" at the end:

- Get the 5 second OOB call.
- Get the steal.
- Don't get fouled with 12 seconds left and make a 3.
- Make the 3 with 2 seconds left.

The difference between winning and losing in basketball is so small.
 

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Why is that?

When you are ahead in a game, and you have open shots, a good 3-point shooting team can expect to make 40% of the shots. When you are an average team, behind, and defended you can expect to make 25%. This late in the season, simply, no coaching excuse for not having set offensive plays that the team can execute.
When you see KU down by 26 (!) at halftime in the second round, you know that ISU was playing against mediocre competition all season in the BIG 12. We were simply always overrated.
 
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Look, I actively hated the reffing during those 15 empty possessions, but during those 15 possessions we kept doing what wasn't working, and when questioned about it at halftime his reply was basically "we gotta keep doing what we're doing, but better". It was a failure of an evening on all levels.

Agreed. A lot is made by coaches in regard to player evaluation/development/improvement; however, good coaches are constantly improving/growing themselves as well. Here's hoping Prohm is doing that.
 

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We played good enough defense to win tonight. Only having 3 guys show up on the offensive end is why the season is done.

I agree..."We couldn't throw the basketball in the ocean and hit it tonight"...quoting Coach Larry Eustacy after a loss in the NIT inside Hilton Coliseum to the TOE........
 
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