Weiskamp status?
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Bold to think that Oregon won't be a tourney team. Couple injured pieces coming back for conference play. Plus they will most likely win their conference giving them an auto bid.
I have not seen anything from Oregon that would make me think they would finish top 3, let alone win their conference.
Oregon has dug themselves a huge hole especially if the Iowa game falls into the "bad loss" category. They can be 2 or 3 games over .500 in the Pac 12 and still be on the outside looking in.
Yeah, PAC12 has been sending 3-4 teams or so? Can't remember, but it's been remarkably shallow for a power league.
I'd have ASU, Washington, and Arizona all pretty safely ahead of Oregon right now. They've looked terrible. Maybe Louis King changes things but they need a drastic turn around.
maybe, but ISU's non-conf looks kinda lackluster so far.
Mizzou is 5-3 with wins over UCF and Oregon St. Lost to Temple.
Lost to Arizona. Won @ UCONN but is still a little bit of a mystery as to how good they are.
Illinois is 2-7 who has lost to every decent team they've played against. No good wins.
San Diego St. is 5-3 with a win over Xavier in Maui. Just lost to San Diego
People will use the injury card. Illinois is looking like a quad 3 win. SD St. and Mizzou maybe quad 2.
Is that better than Iowa's? Maybe. Some people need to pump the breaks on how good our non-conf schedule was.
They sent 3 last year (Arizona, Arizona State & UCLA) and 4 the year before (Arizona, Oregon, UCLA & USC).
I think the same 3 from last year will go again this year.
The Conference of Chumpions as Wild Bill Walton likes to say 1000 times a game.
It's the best
Oh!
OOOOOOOHHHHHHH
.....Oh
And then they all just stand there in embarrassment
In the last 10 tournaments they've sent 4 or fewer teams 6 times, twice sending only 2 (2010,2012)
Context. We did all that with 4 freshman, two transfers and a PG who have never played ball together.
While there is an adjustment to losing any starter the next game and it impacts the roseter it shouldn't be THE excuse for the Hawks losing at home. Fran will be inserting a older player that has started before in Joe place. Baer, Dailey or Moss all have played/started major minutes in CHA against other P6 programs including prior CYHAWK game.
Losing Wigginton for instance and starting a true freshman is a lot more impactful and difficult implementation in my opinion. Prohm didn't complain, rather asked Tyrese, Lewis and Zion to step up.
Even in this series, ISU lost Dejean-Jones due to suspension a day before the game resulted in CFH starting Nader who stared and won the game. Really that was AN coming out party as a Cyclone.
As long as Wigginton is out there's no rational excuse to be made by Iowa fans. There's one player who was on most NBA draft boards to start the season, he plays for ISU, and he's out.
I've always felt like teams often play better the first game when a star player is out. They have extra motivation and rally around each other. It's usually game 2 or 3 without them when the lack of talent in the rest of the team shows up after the initial boost.
That doesn't make the teams we've played against better or worse than what their resume says so far.
I wanted to dig in a little bit about both Iowa and ISU non-con schedules using NET rankings since that is what the committee will use as a main resource (rankings as of now):
Iowa:
56) (Neutral) UCONN (W by 18)
58) (Neutral) Oregon (W by 8)
92) Pittsburgh (W by 1)
114) Green Bay (W by 11)
242) UMKC (W by 14)
336) Alabama St. (W by 27)
still to play
19) Iowa St.
227) (Neutral) UNI
294) Western Carolina
309) Bryant
324) Savannah St.
Iowa St.:
18) (Neutral) Arizona (L by 5)
78) (Neutral) San Diego St. (W by 30)
101) Missouri (W by 17)
125) (Neutral) Illinois (W by 16)
164) Texas Southern (W by 12)
196) Omaha (W by 17)
206) North Dakota St. (W by 22)
336) Alabama St. (W by 26)
still to play
48) @ Iowa
60) @ Ole Miss
121) (Neutral) Drake
311) Eastern Illinois
341) Southern
Iowa:
56) (Neutral) UCONN (W by 18)
58) (Neutral) Oregon (W by 8)
92) Pittsburgh (W by 1)
114) Green Bay (W by 11)
242) UMKC (W by 14)
336) Alabama St. (W by 27)
still to play
19) Iowa St.
227) (Neutral) UNI
294) Western Carolina
309) Bryant
324) Savannah St.
Iowa St.:
18) (Neutral) Arizona (L by 5)
78) (Neutral) San Diego St. (W by 30)
101) Missouri (W by 17)
125) (Neutral) Illinois (W by 16)
164) Texas Southern (W by 12)
196) Omaha (W by 17)
206) North Dakota St. (W by 22)
336) Alabama St. (W by 26)
still to play
48) @ Iowa
60) @ Ole Miss
121) (Neutral) Drake
311) Eastern Illinois
341) Southern
There are two ways to look at this.
In terms of tournament resume, you are right. You do not really get style points. You either win or lose, one or zero, and move on your merry way.
Looking at it like that, we do not have any spotlights on it.
However, I think you have to consider what happened within those games. We have cruised on all of the cupcakes like we should have save maybe Texas Southern, we played a great 30 against Arizona before a bad 10 cost us the game, and we crushed Missouri, Illinois, and San Diego State. What does that mean going forward for the team?
In raw resume looking at it your way, nothing, but those style points, margins of victory, and per play efficiency numbers feed into KenPom and the new NCAA rating system (even if flawed in its implementation) replacing the RPI. Those style points feed into the computer projections that love us to win a lot more games than the Hawkeyes.
Big wins lead to big offensive ratings and small defensive ratings, which suggests we are going to keep it up like this. The computers love us this year.
I was kind of leaning towards the second, but I should have been clearer about it.
