All Iowa Football Team---Post Bowl Edition

benjimill

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OK you Hawkeye fans time to tear apart Doc here for cherry picking AP votes



Again, using the AP Poll as a general indicator of success is fine. Using the AP Poll to definitively conclude Team A is better than Team B, when Team A receives a couple more votes than Team B, is not fine. If that is how you are using the AP Poll, you are a real dummy (or, in your case, a troll).
 

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Again, using the AP Poll as a general indicator of success is fine. Using the AP Poll to definitively conclude Team A is better than Team B, when Team A receives a couple more votes than Team B, is not fine. If that is how you are using the AP Poll, you are a real dummy (or, in your case, a troll).

Agreed. Luckily for ISU they received 34 more votes than Iowa. 34!!
 
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That could be the kiss of death. Last time McShay reached on a QB like that in his way too early first round projections it didn't pan out

When McShay had Leidner as a first rounder, it was in April/May, immediately after the draft, and without watching much (if any) film. None of that is the case here. McShay had several months to dissect film, and the result of that process was grading Stanley and Fant as first round talents.
 

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When McShay had Leidner as a first rounder, it was in April/May, immediately after the draft, and without watching much (if any) film. None of that is the case here. McShay had several months to dissect film, and the result of that process was grading Stanley and Fant as first round talents.

You're right, I'm sure McShay has spent his summer watching the Fumbler overthrow balls to open receivers
 
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You're right, I'm sure McShay has spent his summer watching the Fumbler overthrow balls to open receivers

You’re kidding yourself if you think McShay would put someone in a mock draft in August without watching quite a bit of film. It’s ok for you to admit that Stanley is a big time pro prospect.
 
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I think it’s a pretty useful tool. At the end of the day, however, it is still a subjective grading system, so it’s not infallible.

So what metric should we be using to evaluate QB's? You don't seem to like any stats at that position
 

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So what metric should we be using to evaluate QB's? You don't seem to like any stats at that position

I haven’t come across anything that I’m in love with. I think the QB position is probably the most difficult position to develop an advanced metric for in any sport.
 

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I haven’t come across anything that I’m in love with. I think the QB position is probably the most difficult position to develop an advanced metric for in any sport.

Every advanced stat says Kempt is the best QB in the state. No wonder you don't like it
 
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Every advanced stat says Kempt is the best QB in the state. No wonder you don't like it
Besides just stats even Awards Watch Lists seem to favor Kempt. I mean Davey O'Brien Award watch list is for what is considered the top Quarterbacks and Stanley is nowhere to be found, but Kempt is.

From the Davey O'Brien Award website: The Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award is presented annually to the nation’s best college quarterback and is the oldest and most prestigious national quarterback award.

2018 Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award Watch List

Jake Bentley, South Carolina, (Jr., Opelika, Ala.)

Jake Browning, Washington (Sr., Folsom, Calif.)

Kelly Bryant, Clemson (Sr., Calhoun Falls, S.C.)

Mason Fine, North Texas (Jr., Peggs, Okla.)

Ryan Finley, NC State (Sr., Phoenix, Ariz.)

Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State (Sr., Richmond Hill, Ga.)

Andrew Ford, UMass (Sr., Camp Hill, Penn.)

Jake Fromm, Georgia (So., Warner Robins, Ga.)

Will Grier, West Virginia (Sr., Charlotte, N.C.)

Justice Hansen, Arkansas State (Sr., Edmond, Okla.)

Justin Herbert, Oregon (Jr., Eugene, Ore.)

Alex Hornibrook, Wisconsin (Jr., West Chester, Penn.)

Jalen Hurts, Alabama (Jr., Houston, Texas)

Tyree Jackson, Buffalo (Jr., Norton Shores, Mich.)

Daniel Jones, Duke (Jr., Charlotte, N.C.)

Kyle Kempt, Iowa State (Sr., Massilon, Ohio)

Brian Lewerke, Michigan State (Jr., Phoenix, Ariz.)

Drew Lock, Missouri (Sr., Lee’s Summit, Mo.)

Trace McSorley, Penn State (Sr., Ashburn, Va.)

McKenzie Milton, UCF (Jr., Kapolei, Hawaii)

Nathan Rourke, Ohio (Jr., Oakville, Ontario)

Brett Rypien, Boise State (Sr., Spokane, Wash.)

Jarrett Stidham, Auburn (Jr., Stephenville, Texas)

Brent Stockstill, Middle Tennessee (Sr., Murfreesboro, Tenn.)

Khalil Tate, Arizona (Jr., Inglewood, Calif.)

Manny Wilkins, Arizona State (Sr., Novato, Calif.)
 

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You’re kidding yourself if you think McShay would put someone in a mock draft in August without watching quite a bit of film. It’s ok for you to admit that Stanley is a big time pro prospect.

What’s funny about this @CyTwins ? This a fact, not an opinion.
 

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Besides just stats even Awards Watch Lists seem to favor Kempt. I mean Davey O'Brien Award watch list is for what is considered the top Quarterbacks and Stanley is nowhere to be found, but Kempt is.

From the Davey O'Brien Award website: The Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award is presented annually to the nation’s best college quarterback and is the oldest and most prestigious national quarterback award.

2018 Davey O’Brien National Quarterback Award Watch List

Jake Bentley, South Carolina, (Jr., Opelika, Ala.)

Jake Browning, Washington (Sr., Folsom, Calif.)

Kelly Bryant, Clemson (Sr., Calhoun Falls, S.C.)

Mason Fine, North Texas (Jr., Peggs, Okla.)

Ryan Finley, NC State (Sr., Phoenix, Ariz.)

Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State (Sr., Richmond Hill, Ga.)

Andrew Ford, UMass (Sr., Camp Hill, Penn.)

Jake Fromm, Georgia (So., Warner Robins, Ga.)

Will Grier, West Virginia (Sr., Charlotte, N.C.)

Justice Hansen, Arkansas State (Sr., Edmond, Okla.)

Justin Herbert, Oregon (Jr., Eugene, Ore.)

Alex Hornibrook, Wisconsin (Jr., West Chester, Penn.)

Jalen Hurts, Alabama (Jr., Houston, Texas)

Tyree Jackson, Buffalo (Jr., Norton Shores, Mich.)

Daniel Jones, Duke (Jr., Charlotte, N.C.)

Kyle Kempt, Iowa State (Sr., Massilon, Ohio)

Brian Lewerke, Michigan State (Jr., Phoenix, Ariz.)

Drew Lock, Missouri (Sr., Lee’s Summit, Mo.)

Trace McSorley, Penn State (Sr., Ashburn, Va.)

McKenzie Milton, UCF (Jr., Kapolei, Hawaii)

Nathan Rourke, Ohio (Jr., Oakville, Ontario)

Brett Rypien, Boise State (Sr., Spokane, Wash.)

Jarrett Stidham, Auburn (Jr., Stephenville, Texas)

Brent Stockstill, Middle Tennessee (Sr., Murfreesboro, Tenn.)

Khalil Tate, Arizona (Jr., Inglewood, Calif.)

Manny Wilkins, Arizona State (Sr., Novato, Calif.)

And Stanley is on the Maxwell Watch List, while Kempt is not.

Derp.
 
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