Backcourt and the future
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"THE LAST THREE GAMES"
That implies past tense, not future projections. Although he does already have a NBA body and athleticism.
That's an awful lot of syllables in a short span for my little brain to handle.
It's also, maybe, my favorite CF phrase of the year.
I referenced 11 teams- oops, should have been 9, fine shoot me. Meant 9 because thats how many big12 opponents. Had nothing to do with predicting how the rest will develop. Graphic before our game the other night projected 7 big 12 potential NCAA teams in tiers...we were not listed. Just saying it will be challenging to go 9-9. Doesn't mean we can't do it. Nor did it mean all 9 were better. SO......if you guys want to just 'assume' and reference that there are only 5 or 6 teams to compete with, then that's fine. Go for it.
Being delusionally optimistic is my natural state of affairs, but there's no question that the Big 12 could be really, really tough. There has always been the possibility that this year's Iowa State will look a lot like last year's Oklahoma (very young, lots of new faces, lots of talent and potential, poor league record). That could be the case. I am encouraged by the way that we are developing as we seem more multidimensional than OU was, but it's very early, and we have yet to face teams of the level that we will face in conference season.
Well said. And thanks for not reminding me that my original post said 11 big12 opponents instead of 9 ...oops, must still be living in the ole' big 12. Whar Nebr and Colorado??? lol
Never paid much attention to the Prohm haters. Some people say something negative because it makes them think they'll appear knowledgeable about basketball. However, if you look at Prohm's overall record, it's clear that he is an exceptional coach. Add to that how he has gotten his ISU teams to reach their potential by tournament time, one can only conclude that "Prohm can't coach" is nothing more than "fake news."
How many ISU fans ever dreamed that Weiler-Babb would be the PG instead of Jackson or Wigginton, and be so effective? That this transition is working out so well is another indication of Prohm's coaching abilities. Even Boise State's coach said the quick improvement in the team almost overnight is attributable to the coaches.
Your point was valid. A team that’s top-40 range could potentially still be 8th or 9th in this conference, which doesn’t result in a good conference record. No doubt this is largely the cause of pessimism over this season being a success.
I am worrying about growth and competitiveness more than W-L this year.
Right, we’ve already readjusted our metric of success due to how unlikely the tournament is. I’m hoping to see improved fundamentals as well. On a global sense this season isn’t going to be a success, but as it is, even a bad conference record due to a bunch of close losses to tournament teams, similar to 2010-11, is encouraging for next year.
Just a guess on the "final" rotation for this year...
NWB (1 on offense, 3 on defense)
Jackson (SG on offense, defends the opponent's best guard)
Wiggi (3 on offense with his bulk, covers the other guard)
Young (finally can face the basket some)
Lard (the lurking dunker and rim protector/runner)
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Brase (steadying influence off the bench)
Talley (backup wing and small-ball 4 for his defense)
Long (going to need at least one more guard)
spot minutes for Lewis and Beverly, unless Lewis clearly passes Long
And next year...
NWB
Wiggi
Shayok
Young
Lard
I wonder how our expectations are going to change given how this year goes and how, for the most part, we likely return 4/5 starters and a few rotation guys. It is nice to have unit cohesion and experience coming back, even if that unit did not win a ton of games last year.
Talley, Long, and Jacobson will have the first shot at the next tier as upperclassmen.
Lewis might be coming on pretty strong by that point.
I would imagine Griffin and THT push for a lot of time and contribute quickly.
Haliburton and Conditt are likely out of luck to start, each a candidate for a RS. Haliburton is in a rough spot behind NWB and Wiggi at the PG position and Conditt might need some time to be ready to compete with experienced upperclassmen like Jacobson, Young, and Lard, but I hope for something of a Luke Kornet arc out of him.
NWB (1 on offense, 3 on defense)
Jackson (SG on offense, defends the opponent's best guard)
Wiggi (3 on offense with his bulk, covers the other guard)
Young (finally can face the basket some)
Lard (the lurking dunker and rim protector/runner)
---
Brase (steadying influence off the bench)
Talley (backup wing and small-ball 4 for his defense)
Long (going to need at least one more guard)
spot minutes for Lewis and Beverly, unless Lewis clearly passes Long
And next year...
NWB
Wiggi
Shayok
Young
Lard
I wonder how our expectations are going to change given how this year goes and how, for the most part, we likely return 4/5 starters and a few rotation guys. It is nice to have unit cohesion and experience coming back, even if that unit did not win a ton of games last year.
Talley, Long, and Jacobson will have the first shot at the next tier as upperclassmen.
Lewis might be coming on pretty strong by that point.
I would imagine Griffin and THT push for a lot of time and contribute quickly.
Haliburton and Conditt are likely out of luck to start, each a candidate for a RS. Haliburton is in a rough spot behind NWB and Wiggi at the PG position and Conditt might need some time to be ready to compete with experienced upperclassmen like Jacobson, Young, and Lard, but I hope for something of a Luke Kornet arc out of him.
Agreed. But he doesn't have to be an NBA guy. I don't really care. In 1 week we went from being absolutely unable to get offense initiated to feeling like the team at least has an identity. That's a ton of progress in a week and definitely a testament to both NWB and the coaching.
I shouldn't have to link a post. If you haven't come across any of the Fred worshipers where they were blatantly saying they don't think Prohm is a good coach then I don't know what to tell you. It's been since last year. "Prohm was playing with Fred's players, Prohm can't do in game adjustments...etc. Twitter was just at a whole 'nother level of stupid last couple of weeks. I'm sure it can be found on here somewhere (not this thread). I'm merely pointing out that people want to throw Prohm in the pit of misery before the guy can coach up any of his own players...guess that's what instant gratification does to people.
So you don’t have a link to a poster saying Prohm is terrible? Criticism is not the same as saying a coach is terrible.
