I'll own up to my 133 prediction. I was one of the fans saying Simmons over Parker. My call was due to the room results and Simmons beats Parker in the room but Parker is getting it down under the lights. I still think that Simmons is better, he just needs to figure it out outside of the room.
Lindenwood Open
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They did some of the brackets weird. Leisure won the 149B bracket and with no notice they made him wrestle the winner of bracket 149A. He won the match but it was never entered into trackwrestling. The winner of the 174 freshman third place match won by RULE. His opponent did have 6 matches going into the match.
FYI- First time he's been on a college mat, he wrestled this summer at UWWs:
https://iawrestle.com/2016/04/29/2016-uww-junior-greco-roman-nationals-results/
Where did you get the intel that Simmons beats Parker in the room? All indications from the coaches in interviews has been that Parker works his butt off in practice. As to your opinion that Simmons is better, I guess you can look at the Cyclone Open and the Lindenwood Open to try and support that. Based on the common opponent from this past Saturday (Matthew Schmitt from WVU, who is ranked in at least one poll), Parker gets the edge based on a 4-3 gritty win versus Simmons basically quitting in a 9-2 loss.
Or what about Simmons losing to #9 rank guy by 1 while Parker LBF. Also, there is difference in being a better wrestler and being the hardest worker. Given that, Parker has won the job and I don’t think he will give it up. He works extremely hard and deserves it. I just wish Simmons would be more consistent and would have started the season better as he can be a very dynamic wrestler. Hopefully, they keep pushing each other to be better.
Next year gets even more interesting. I think Gomez will be a 133 pounder also. So 2 wrestlers will have to either go up or down. Good problem to have. Same with 141 & 149. 174 problem will be solved next year, Coleman,. Maybe some of these light weights can move to 184 & 197? Hopefully we will have the same log jam at those weighs soon.
GO Cyclones.
My Intel comes from knowing several wrestlers/family members on the team. I have no reason to think that my Intel isn't reliable. I clearly stated that Parker is getting the job done outside the room so your point is redundant. I understand why the coaches don't do wrestle offs in the room and in this case, it's benefiting Parker if I choose to believe my Intel, which I do. It's interesting that you choose to highlight the Schmitt match but not the Erneste match.
Like cywr89 mentioned in his comment, hardest worker and better wrestler are 2 different things.
We just appreciate the information both of you guys bring. Wrestling is a long grind not a wind sprint. 133 and 149 is exactly what KD wants to happen. Two guys closely matched that will be pushing each until BIG12s.
Below is a list of common opponents.
Common Opponents for Ian Parker vs common opponents 4 - 2
Erneste, John 11/18/2017 L FALL :45
Erneste, John 12/3/2016 L FALL 3:38
Schmitt, Matthew 11/18/2017 W DEC 4-3
Jeffery, Alijah 11/4/2017 W DEC 6-1
Wagner, Jack 11/4/2017 W DEC 4-0
Eades, Darrin 11/13/2016 W FALL 4:21
Common Opponents for Simmons, Markus vs common opponents 3 - 3
Erneste, John 11/18/2017 L DEC 3-2
Schmitt, Matthew 11/18/2017 L DEC 9-2
Jeffery, Alijah 11/18/2017 W MD 10-0
Wagner, Jack 11/4/2017 L SV-1 7-5
Eades, Darrin 11/12/2017 W TF5 17-0 2:49
Eades, Darrin 1/30/2016 W TF5 16-0 1:15
I agree with the bolded part, but I also believe that better wrestler and most talented wrestler are two different things as well. Parker has better results with less D-1 mat time, so he's the guy for now. Simmons is solid depth and I'm sure will fill in admirably when asked to do so.
Side note: it's kind of nice to have two options at multiple weights that I'm confident could be national qualifiers (Parker/Simmons at 133, Degen/Rodriguez at 149). Looking forward to a few years when I can hopefully change "national qualifiers" to "All-Americans".
Coming from someone (me) who said that Parker would start over Simmons and also Degen would start over Dante...I will say that I have seen/heard differently than you guys I suppose.
Also, yes, hardest worker doesn't = better wrestler...but also, more talented wrestler doesn't = better wrestler... So I guess we'll disagree on them being "better wrestlers"..
Also, not taking stock into the Erneste patch for Parker, he got caught in a spladle..I think the match would have went differently if that didn't happen.
Also, yes, hardest worker doesn't = better wrestler...but also, more talented wrestler doesn't = better wrestler... So I guess we'll disagree on them being "better wrestlers"..
Also, not taking stock into the Erneste patch for Parker, he got caught in a spladle..I think the match would have went differently if that didn't happen.
Caught Parker, interesting considering the spladle is part of his arsenol so he didn't catch him, if anything he baited him. I know of at least 3 matches that Parker has lost to Erneste, twice by pin and once by tf (freestyle). There maybe other results that i'm not aware of.
As far as better vs hardest worker, I think we all agree on those pionts along with talanted vs better wrestler.
We'll see next time they wrestle. And tell yourself what you need to hear.
Tell myself what I need to hear when it comes to Erneste, what are you talking about. I've seen Erneste wrestle for years so I know what i'm talking about and I stated facts on their outcome. Can Parker beat him the next time they wrestle, of course but history doesn't support your view of future outcomes. Take your own advice.
I can believe there is an argument about this. It is good for Iowa State. Simmons & Parker are very close talent/result wise and so is Dante & Degen. Nothing to argue about. I hope we have 10 weights with this competition in the near future
