Except Fred's first team has a stretch 5 mismatch that could hit 38% from 3's. Not sure we have more than a single player that will reach that mark this year.
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Except Fred's first team has a stretch 5 mismatch that could hit 38% from 3's. Not sure we have more than a single player that will reach that mark this year.
To be fair, not many saw two first round pics in that team either at that time.
Perhaps, but we have nothing close to a Fizer and Nurse in terms of proven guys. No one expected a national title worthy team, but improvement was expected. That team also returned guess the Stevie, Rancik, Shirley types, which we hopefully have.
We’re definitely not going to replicate that year, but you also don’t need two first rounders to make the tournament. The year I hope this mimics is ‘96-‘97, but I’m not sure Prohm will go that style.
If they beat Mizzou Friday, then fans will rejoice, only to freak out once they get beat.
It's a vicious cycle.
Issue being 96-97's team was returning pretty much everyone from a good NCAA tourney team from the previous season. The style had to match lots of experience and proven winners. But yeah, this team certainly can't get into track meets and is going to need to grind out wins like Floyd did. Is Beverly Pratt?
I've reference that team a few times during non-conference meltdowns occasionally--just think if these forums were around when that team was ranked #4 and lost to Marquette in Hilton or got punked by Tyron Lue there too.
Sorry, I meant the year before. Jacy was the only significant returner if I recall correctly
That sounds about right.
And nope, Beverly won't be Pratt--Pratt averaged 15 that season!
I've been pretty pessimistic about this year, which I don't think is a bad thing. It's going to be a rough start, but Prohm has shown the ability to make teams better throughout the year. I think we'll lose a few that we shouldn't in the non-conference, then win a few we shoulldn't in Hilton late. I have a hard time believing that we'll will get last, but at the same time I don't think we'll be top of the B12 half either.
If we're even sniffing "Bubble Status" in February, Prohm will have earned every penny. Go Clones.
If we're even sniffing "Bubble Status" in February, Prohm will have earned every penny. Go Clones.
Prooooobably not gonna win in Lawrence this year
Which is the case pretty much every year for every team.
Might drop a few more in Hilton than usual which will feel weird but if you're not good, you're not good.
Here's how I see it.. If we can gel fairly quickly and find a way to play fairly consistently by end of December, I could see us going into conference play with 7 to 8 wins and win the first couple games. We then start playing teams we just can't match up against.
If everything goes well and our freshmen can score more than I expect their first year, I could see us finishing conference play with 8 or 9 wins (good for 7th or 8th). However, I think the more likely scenario is we struggle to score above 60 most nights and win 5 or 6 conference games (likely 9th or 10th).
The two teams I think we have a legit chance to finish higher than are Kansas State and Oklahoma State.
Projected League Standings:
Likely Wins (would be surprised with a loss):
vs Milwaukee
Appalachian St
W Illinois
N Illinois
Alcorn State
Maryland Eastern Shore
Tennessee
Total: 7 Likely Wins
Bubble Games (could see close game or blowout either way):
Iowa
Northern Iowa*
Kansas State*
Texas
at Oklahoma State*
Texas Tech*
at Texas
at Texas Tech
at Kansas State*
Oklahoma State*
Total: 10 Tossups (* = slightly better than 50/50 towards ISU)
Likely Losses (would be surprised with a win):
at Missouri*
at Kansas**
Baylor**
at TCU**
West Virginia**
at Baylor**
Oklahoma*
Kansas**
TCU*
at West Virginia**
at Oklahoma*
Total: 11 Likely Losses (* = possible but unlikely, ** = highly unlikely)
Final Record: 13-15
While not to our new expectations, I do think it'll be a true rebuilding year with next year being a fringe Top 25 team and the following year a Top 20 team again. We just have so many scorers and role players to replace that I don't think people appreciate just how much of a drop-off there will be.
Again, believe in the process but the Prohman Empire wasn't built in a day.
If everything goes well and our freshmen can score more than I expect their first year, I could see us finishing conference play with 8 or 9 wins (good for 7th or 8th). However, I think the more likely scenario is we struggle to score above 60 most nights and win 5 or 6 conference games (likely 9th or 10th).
The two teams I think we have a legit chance to finish higher than are Kansas State and Oklahoma State.
Projected League Standings:
- Kansas
- West Virginia
- Baylor
- TCU
- Oklahoma
- Texas
- Texas Tech
- Iowa State
- Kansas State
- Oklahoma State
Likely Wins (would be surprised with a loss):
vs Milwaukee
Appalachian St
W Illinois
N Illinois
Alcorn State
Maryland Eastern Shore
Tennessee
Total: 7 Likely Wins
Bubble Games (could see close game or blowout either way):
Iowa
Northern Iowa*
Kansas State*
Texas
at Oklahoma State*
Texas Tech*
at Texas
at Texas Tech
at Kansas State*
Oklahoma State*
Total: 10 Tossups (* = slightly better than 50/50 towards ISU)
Likely Losses (would be surprised with a win):
at Missouri*
at Kansas**
Baylor**
at TCU**
West Virginia**
at Baylor**
Oklahoma*
Kansas**
TCU*
at West Virginia**
at Oklahoma*
Total: 11 Likely Losses (* = possible but unlikely, ** = highly unlikely)
Final Record: 13-15
While not to our new expectations, I do think it'll be a true rebuilding year with next year being a fringe Top 25 team and the following year a Top 20 team again. We just have so many scorers and role players to replace that I don't think people appreciate just how much of a drop-off there will be.
Again, believe in the process but the Prohman Empire wasn't built in a day.
The way everybody acts on this forum CSP should finish in 5th or 6th in the Big 12 and get into the tournament with 19 wins. Sounds good to me. So if we finish 7-11 in the conference are we ready to label this year as underachieving?
Again, not my point and I'm not "everybody" on this forum. Let's just see how the games play out before worrying. All I know is I'm not going to take too much from an exhibition.
But you can use common sense. A team expected to be bad due to a huge loss in talent that looks as expected will continue to be thought of as bad.
That team with Fizer and Co may have had a bad game early on, but it was clear that team had the pieces to be good.
