*** Official #23 BYU vs #10 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

AuH2O

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This is why i disagree with anyone saying it's a good effort. Of course the team is trying, but we're soft. We tried but by playing pat-a-cake We don't make the toughness plays with consistency, despite it being our "culture". Same old sh*t with this team.

The team plays very hard. But the number of times guys were standing there ball watching on a shot while Keita ran in untouched was inexcusable. It’s a basic execution thing. A lot of the turnovers are the same. The attention to detail by this team is not good.
 

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of the top 4 teams in the league, Houston, Tech, Arizona, and ISU we only had home games against AZ. I WANT home games against the other teams, that is what makes me mad about the unbalanced schedule that the other contenders got to avoid Hilton (minus arizona). Agree to disagree then.
This is why you can’t really put a ton of stock into a conference championship now. Houston absolutely ran it this year but there will be years where the champ benefits from the schedule.
 

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Hate to say it but this team peaked around the first go through in the conference, and has been coasting since because of injuries and poor play. To be a great team, you have to bring your A game every night or close to it, Kansas used to be able to do that, Houston does it now. We go through stretches where we look lost and start throwing up 3 pointers that are not even close.

I've thought the overall 'cagey' feel of TJ's first two-three teams has been there the last two games and hasn't really been a thing much of the season for this group including in Maui, etc.

It was there early and late last night and maybe can grow going forward.
 

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And we played the majority of the conference slate not even close to full strength. Did we do that last year too?
Full strength or not, good teams don't look that completely inept against Oklahoma St and Kansas St. Those are two terrible basketball teams that took us to the woodshed.

Houston wouldn't have lost those games missing a starter. Last night we were at full strength. How do you explain getting down 21? How do you explain blowing an 18 point second half lead vs Auburn at full strength?
 

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Full strength or not, good teams don't look that completely inept against Oklahoma St and Kansas St. Those are two terrible basketball teams that took us to the woodshed.

Houston wouldn't have lost those games missing a starter. Last night we were at full strength. How do you explain getting down 21? How do you explain blowing an 18 point second half lead vs Auburn at full strength?

The 18 point game vs. Auburn was like a whole bunch of college games including games in which ISU has been down a bunch and came back.

The bigger problem that game was ISU's last possession that was a hurried turnover reading to Aubutn getting the last look.

When ISU is playing well they're really solid.
They're a sum of the parts group though and if they're not sharp they look like a mid-major team which in a way makes sense since they have lots of players from mid-major teams.
 

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ISU runs a rather unsophisticated offense that depends a lot on athletic advantage for prolonged success. IMO, not a great approach if you want to win the conference regular season in the Big 12, or for tying to win 6 in a row in a post season tournament. The 25-minutes-of-dog-barf offense/15-minutes-of-good-offense personna that ISU exhibits on a regular basis isn't really helpful either. I also think these two things are related.

A number of folks are suggesting that Gilbert has regressed. Maybe, but I think it has more to do with teams having figured out his game and how he functions in ISU's simple offensive scheme. That scheme just doesn't do much to confound the defense and get guys easier looks.

It's also hard to conquer the Big 12 without consistent post/big play. Not really sure what is going on there.
 

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Full strength or not, good teams don't look that completely inept against Oklahoma St and Kansas St. Those are two terrible basketball teams that took us to the woodshed.

Houston wouldn't have lost those games missing a starter. Last night we were at full strength. How do you explain getting down 21? How do you explain blowing an 18 point second half lead vs Auburn at full strength?
Very true, every team is going to have injuries, it's how you play through the injuries is what counts. Looked like BYU was doing a lot of pushing in the back to get rebounds last night, not trying to take anything away from them, they rebound well, but it would be interesting to watch the tape and see if they were getting away with as much pushing as it looked like last night.
 
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Morning after.

Defensively I thought they played with great energy and effort. Great to see the defense get into lock down mode again

Offensively was not a great night for the first 25 or so minutes. ISU had a great opportunity early in the game to create separation but just couldn’t get anything going on offense.

The metal toughness is still there with this group. They are playing well as a team

I still think this team can make a run in the tournament; however, I still feel a sweet 16 might be their ceiling. But it is also great to have a program where some fans may feel disappointed with a sweet 16 exit.

The program is nationally relevant, and shows no sign of slowing down.
I agree with all of that, though I don't really think they have a ceiling. All the pieces are there. Just need to tighten things up and catch fire a bit.
 
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I mean they have 2 losses at full strength. If, last year, they had to play 9 games down at least 1 of their top players in the middle of conference play, they probably don’t finish above .500 in conference.

They are not worse than last year.
But that doesn’t fit the narrative.
 

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That technical (awful call) was the difference in the game

I'm sorry but this is an absolutely horrific excuse. We allowed ourselves to get down 24 points in the second half. We were content to chuck threes for 2/3rds of the game. We got outrebounded by 28 rebounds. Heise took a relaxing stroll to the rim and got swatted in OT. We had two different end-of-game scenarios with a chance to win were we couldn't even get a shot off. That one play wasn't the "difference in the game". And hell, who knows what he said. We have no idea if it was even unjustified and slapping the floor will typically get you a "T".
 

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It's been a problem for a few years, we dribble around and then get nothing, not an even a good shot at the basket.
So much this.

They have come up with some good in-bounds and OTO plays this year, which is an improvement. But when they need that last shot bucket... its "Morgan-esque" by which I mean it looks like they haven't practiced at all.

They just force stuff into the lane, or chuck a 3 if they cant get around anyone.

Maybe we just lack the 1st round type talent guy who can make it happen on his own, or miss having Monte and Georges who were the world champion pick-and-roll/pop guys.
 

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So much this.

They have come up with some good in-bounds and OTO plays this year, which is an improvement. But when they need that last shot bucket... its "Morgan-esque" by which I mean it looks like they haven't practiced at all.

They just force stuff into the lane, or chuck a 3 if they cant get around anyone.

Maybe we just lack the 1st round type talent guy who can make it happen on his own, or miss having Monte and Georges who were the world champion pick-and-roll/pop guys.

This is the way.

Without that go-to the defense doesn't have to collapse or account for an area all that much.